Dosage Conversion Chart
Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.
When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.
Average Powdered Leaf
| Measurement | Ounces |
|---|---|
| 1 gram | 0.035 ounces |
| 50 grams | 1.75 ounces |
| 100 grams | 3.5 ounces |
Crushed Leaf
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 2.7 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 0.9 grams |
| 000 Capsule | 0.70 – 1 gram |
Bali Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 6.2 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.3 grams |
| 000 Capsule | 0.75 – 1 gram |
Maeng Da Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 7 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.6 grams |
Green Malay Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 6.9 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.4 grams |
Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)
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| Extract | 00 Capsule Dosage | Equivalent Powdered Leaf |
|---|---|---|
| Gold Reserve Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 7-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| ISOL-8 Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-7 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
Can you take Hydromorphone if you took Kratom an hour before?
My experience is yes you can. Conversely I can’t take kratom until I am sick as it puts me into PW like Subs do.
i went from 200mg of morhine, x3 percs, and norco .. 3 days cold turkey, kratom been clean sense but am averaging about a lb a month. idk if thats bad but thats how i been a year 1/2 clean
Look everyone on here obviously isn’t a doctor nor do I fancy myself an M.D. but what I do know is what has worked for me. A little back story I have been on hard prescription opiates for over 15 years (oxycodone or greater), I have gone through several treatments be it 7 day detox, 30 day in patient, cold turkey, suboxone until I was locked up for 3 years and got clean. I got out and thought I had the disease licked and dipped my toe back in the pond just to see and 8 years later I found myself losing everything all over again. The key to any successful sobriety lies within a few factors. First and foremost you have to be ready to quit, No amount of kratom, suboxone, methadone, etc is going to fix you for good without the want to stop and I mean ACTUALLY want to stop which comes at different stages for different ppl, for me it was losing everything I had worked for …twice now… Secondly taper….taper….taper …if your doing $200 of heroin a day kratom probably isn’t going to help much but maybe some. My success story came from going to buprenorphine from harder stuff, once I felt like the urge to get high was gone somewhat, I started immediately tapering those down, this process is tricky and different for everyone but the key is to use each substance for the least amount of time… some ppl tapers take years, mine I was reducing dosage every 4-8 days since that’s how long it takes plasma levels to adjust with bupe, I did experience some withdrawals this quickly but NOTHING CLOSE to hydromorphone cold Turkey symptoms… once I was micro dosing bupe I switched to Kratom. I have tried them all and they have mild differences but found a reputable Maegna Da brand covered all.symptoms fine and was 100 times cheaper than buying stuff off the streets. I used kratom for entire 12-21 day PHYSICAL withdrawal from bupe (6-8 capsules or 3-4 grams every 4-6 hours or as needed but this was plenty for me who was snorting 600mg of oxy a day 6 months prior)…once i hit day 21 I began taking less kratom (tapering) I lowered dosage and frequency over a 10 day period and with eating decently and i stopped smoking while detoxing (helped with stomach issues ALOT) and honestly had VERY MINOR withdrawal symptoms. Alot of it is mental but if you are determined to stop you can do this! Just remember you focus on today… if you can just get thru today everything will be fine! And before you know it…its day 10, day 20, day 30 and you may occasionally have a craving but if you shut that thought process down immediately! You can and will be successful! I found that having something in mind me. My wife said one more time and she is gone so everytime I get that devil in the back of my head saying “it’s all good you can dabble, or just one more time for the road” I remind myself is losing my wife worth feeling “sorda good” for 3 or 4 hours? Reach out and talk to others and don’t be ashamed to talk about it. Kratom is amazing but (IMO) i don’t want to be enslaved by anything anymore… if I had to choose i would take kratom.every day over going back to drugs but ultimately everyone’s goal should be to no longer wake up every morning and before you take a piss rush to your stash or start making calls (at 7am) to make sure you can “function” today. We have all gone through this and this is ONLY MY ACCOUNT and OPINION… do what works for you… btw suboxone does have a ceiling if your taking or are prescribed to more than 16mg daily your wasting your money and time and this isnt my opinion that’s from 5 different doctors I have seen prescribe it and 2 medical journals i have read (so no need to debate idc what you think or “know”) attach your PhD to the comment if your going to debate it this was just something to helpfully help 1 person out there going through what I have been through 15yrs of my life
Spot on … sensible advise thank you
Most encouraging words I have read in 7yrs that actually moved me. Thank you for your words and the time it took to write your thoughts out. I have this screenshotted and will read this anytime this fight becomes overwhelming
Excellent idea!!
Beastmode, congratulations on your sobriety! Sounds like you’ve been through the mill of opiate dependence similar to mine (read my response to Greg). This is some of the best advice I’ve read lately for people addicted to drugs. And you’re absolutely right….nothing will work for you unless you want it and you are ready. Thank you for your encouraging words and best wishes to you and your wife! 🙂
I’m where you were. I just jumped from a 1 mg of sub after taking 8 for 4 years due to a 6 year oxy habit. I have a great job and family. I started Kratom 3 days and the PAWS are tolerable. I don’t want to get hooked on it. I was considering stopping it completely after 2-3wks. I also take acupuncture and neurofeedback. Does this sound feasible?
One of the better comments I’ve read in quite awhile.
I’m hoping people are still on the board.. I read a lot of these posts I’m trying to make 100% sure on what to do. I’m taking a fair amount of pills 5-10mg Norcs and I’ve been trying to taper off on my own but the sweats and muscle aches are killing me I’ve been taking it for years… what amount of krantom and is it redbali that I need?i need to stop ASAP and need the fastest way.. I can’t turn to my doctor cause they are anti everything. Please tell me what I can do and what’s needed
i’d say start off at about 3-4 grams of red bali, also drink a lot of water with it! if you don’t have effects just go up 2 grams your next dose but wait at least 4 hours in between dosing.
Hey Jay,
I agree with Morgan’s post. Additionally, I usually put most of my Kratom into “00” capsules since I can’t handle the powder unless it’s mixed with chocolate milk! Each capsule is 500 mg so 2 caps equal one gram. I started off with 6 caps (3 grams) of Red Kali (or Red Bentuangie can’t remember) and had to wait about 45 minutes for it to kick in. Then I added Bali Gold for daytime and eventually added some greens and whites for energy during the day. The reds will usually last 3-5 hours, so anticipate when you will need it and just as your pain starts to come back, take the next dose. When u start noticing your regular dose isn’t quite cutting the pain like before, you may have built up a tolerance. Which means start using different colors and rotate between them. I stop at 5 grams of reds no matter what! That should always be enough (for most people) to control pain or anxiety. For energy, I take even less of the greens or whites (like 1-4 grams). Good luck!!
Red Bali is reputable for sleep but diff for everyone but red Maeng da has been great for me taking 1 1/2 tablespoons measured in measuring spoons 1/2 at a time toss n wash so far that’s been good for me . earth Kratom got half kilo powder only can’t take the capsules it’s just too much feels like a wad of plastic in my stomach or something the capsules seriously bloats me it seems so I just toss n wash or mix with small amount of grapefruit juice there’s all kinds of recipes for teas and different ways just do your research coming off those you may want to taper and maybe Kratom 2-3 times a day nut def Bali on last dose for sleep you’ll just have to experiment which is what I’ve been doing for about 2 weeks now
I’m just now starting to taper off opioids, was taking 60mg Hydrocodone every day, started alternating 3-5 grams of Red Bali Kratom in the morning and early afternoon, then a 20mg dose of Hydro in the evening. Seems to be helping a lot! I know that once I get used to <20mg I can kick the Hydro but tapering first is key in my book. I will taper the Kratom as I wind down on the opioids. Whether it kills or not, opioid withdrawal makes you wish you were dead so we're arguing a moot issue folks.
Okay so kratom Saved my life or should I say God better.
Any who, I take started with 5 to 6 grams kratom. And then when my scale arrived went down to 3, and then started having bloating really bad, indigestion and all and so the kratom stop working.. So now took kratom haven’t ate, but feel very full, I have only hade cayenne pepper with limón, a grapefruit honey turmeric powder and a teat of limón ginger and chamolia tea..
Any recommendations for this problem… I am on day 20th and I kming off 2mg subs and would hate to loose this beautiful plants benefits, also took black see oil with honey at 430 am as my withdrawals started since kratom isn’t working.
I rotate strains every dose. And don’t want to take more than 4mg. Or is it too low?
I am feeling this morning serving as I type this now Thank God, energy coming back, but scared to eat..
Thanks guys any recommendations will help
Number one, i wouldn’t rotate strains every dose. Each strain is different, if only ONE is causing the bloat/indigestion you can’t tell which is causing it. Did you stop the kratom because it doesn’t WORK or because it was causing bloating and indigestion? You NEED to eat – and stop eating a bunch of lemons (Question: What is a limón? Because there is no such thing. Are you talking about a lemon or a lime or something?) drinking lemon juice and eating grapefruits. Both cause bloating, indigestion, heartburn, etc. Stop eating ‘pepper’ as a food. All foods high in acids (including tomatoes) can cause those stomach problems if you eat too much without including foods that cut the acid.
They say eating when you take kratom maybe reduces the feeling, IDK, maybe. But if you have to eat some bread or something to absorb the acid in your stomach then eat a piece of bread, or crackers, or soda crackers (oyster crackers). Also soda water with a tablespoon of ‘bitters’ makes you burp this huge acid relieving burp that eliminates nausea and often indigestion caused by acid/gas pressure. Try that.
You don’t say what kind of kratoms you are taking or where they were purchased. I took some kratom I bought at a kratom store and I don’t know what was in their garbage but I literally could not tell the difference between a white or a red and I had to poop like INSANE so much poop. It messed up my stomach, it is very important to have good quality kratom.
Higher doses of any strain kratom can make you tired, maybe lethargic, but if you don’t mind being a little sleepy after a few hours – then a 6-7 mg dose of Red Bali kratom is is not too much. I’ve taken more – it’s different for everybody, and again – different doses have different effects for each strain. I have read that Red Thai kratom is just as good for pain/withdrawals as the Bali but with less sedation – and am planning to order some now to try. I read an article in which the author stated he knew someone who took Red Thai kratom to get off heroin.
Drink a lot of water, eat healthy food but stop relying on weird spices and shit and be ‘healthier’ and rely on good food instead (without the grapefruit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I mean just regular food – hard boiled eggs and toast, chicken and pasta with olive oil, rice, baby spinach salads or mixed into some scrambled eggs, Bananas, oatmeal. I think you are overthinking and overanalyzing EVERYTHING.
I was taking what I thought was a teaspoon of powdered kratom compared to the ‘conversion’ charts was a low doses, until I started weighing it and it was 15 milligrams. Now I just use the same spoon and fill it up about half the spoon, slightly piled – sometimes I shake a little off, sometimes I add a little more. It’s not as cut and dry as they make it out. The stress you are having about all the measuring and eating tumeric and all that crap is making everything WORSE.
You are ignorant. Limon is lemon or lime depending on which Latin American country it is. Second, kratom is measured in GRAMS not milligrams. Thirdly, food coats the stomach and drastically reduced the effectiveness. Honestly, what is it with you people?
In many countries limon is used to refer to both lemon and lime which makes the term very vague and often confusing. She only mentioned milligrams once, clearly a grammatical error. Everyone knows it’s measured in grams. THIRDLY, everyone is different and many people have reported better effects when NOT dosing on an empty stomach. Besides, do you really think taking kratom on a completely empty stomach every day is the healthiest option? IBS is one of the main reasons I use kratom, btw, and Bobby’s routine would definitely mess my stomach up too. I’ve personally found that it’s best for me to have a small snack half an hour or so before dosing and then eat an hour or two after. I like to have a little yogurt with honey and maybe some amla and cinnamon mixed it prior to dosing. Then maybe some tea with ginger tumeric black pepper and blackseed oil. It’s not a good idea to have tumeric every day though. Too much can lead to health problems. Her advice is pretty solid. It’s probably healthier and defintiely more manageable to just work kratom into your daily routine than try to obsessively revolve everything around it. That being said, it’s more about batch than strain. Strains aren’t even really a thing. Also, Bobby, have you looked into megadosing vitamin c for withdrawal symptoms so you don’t have to rely entirely on kratom? Sodium ascorbate is a lot easier on the stomach than ascorbic acid. Niacin is helpful too. There is a lot of info out there, you may want to look into incorporating that into your regimen. What’s with you, Nunya? Rude and completely unhelpful. Take some kratom and chill out.
Curious how you came to the conclusion that strains aren’t a thing? I get a completely different feeling from Red MD as compared to Red Bali. Red MD is way more euphoric than Red Bali and it also exascerbates my insomnia during WD whereas I can fall asleep MUCH easier on Red Bali as it is quite sedating for me. And then there is Red Malaysia, which feels like Red MD with a splash of pure MDMA in putting me in the best mood ever and comes on more smoothly than the other two thus feeling more natural and not so much like I took something due to the sudden onset of effects that comes with the other two. I never felt it kick in, but found myself laughing quite a bit and feeling the most awesome sense of happiness, realizing I had been feeling that way for a couple of hours. It should be noted that the case with all three of these strains is that I tried them first and read about the effects afterwards so I could give them a fair assessment and not have any preconceived idea of what to expect. All I did was ask the guy at the shop which strains help with WD and left it at that. In each case my experience matched exactly that of the strain’s description. It also should be noted that Green MD does hardly anything for my WD symptoms and I was back at the shop within 2 hours of burning my first dose buying more Red Bali, which I knew worked. Not trying to argue or debate with you, just curious how you came to your belief? Thanks.
I used to be completely addicted to oxy, dilaudid etc.. now I’m o. a 30 mg dose at a clinic.. I want to stop . I bought Bali Kratom . how much do I need to take to get off of everything and for how long ?
meant to say that I’m on a 30 mg dose of methadone .
I am trying to switch to kratom right now after tapering down from that evil light brown powder up my nose (so stupid… I was FINE FOR YEARS just using kratom after beating this years ago already… ugh.) I really expected kratom to alleviate a lot of my symptoms, but my first try at swapping over was not bearable. I don’t know why, but the kratom was not touching the withdrawal symptoms and just making it harder in a way (eating that powder while in full detox=not easy).
I have been tapering my use down in an effort to have kratom be effective, and I’m hoping I got there. I am going to try only kratom (with new strains: red maengda and green malay mixed) tomorrow again and I am praying that it provides me enough relief to simply function… I am under serious pressure and time constraints right now and this is about to destroy my life because I’m functionally worthless 🙁 If kratom doesn’t help, I fear I will go to Subs just so I don’t lose my entire life right now. I don’t have any support really and fully detoxing alone w/o support is near impossible so far. Maybe I just need to be tougher and endure the hell for a few days before giving kratom a chance to make me feel better. I don’t know.
I would love to talk to ANYONE that’s been in my situation: pretty sure I’m doing heroin but my friend told me it was ‘a new research nootropic’ (asshole); now he’s in the hospital and on subs b/c of this shit… I don’t want to end up stuck on subs but I don’t want to lose my whole life either right now…
Anyone have advice on making kratom help my symptoms? I try to do about 6-7 grams per dose for relief since that seems to be a go-to amount for relief from STRONG opioid detox symptoms.
Please advise, or if you’re going through this as well, let’s help each other. email me anytime: bluedreamer831 at that gee-mail place. Love and hope for all of you… We can do this if we help each other.
Hi, I would like to offer a bit of advice to you. First, I was not chemically dependent on opioids, however, I did have some emotional dependence, so I will give you advice based on my experience. I am also a Registered Nurse with over 15 years of direct care experience. Do not despair or give up! DO NOT start subs. That’s just trading in one evil for another (probably a worse one). When I realized that I probably had developed a dependency, even though it was in the early stages, I immediately started researching and came across Kratom. That was 4 years ago. I started taking Kratom on Thanksgiving Day, 2015 and have never had anything more than ibuprofen since that day! Kratom in my personal and professional opinion saved my future. I had/have legitimate reasons to take opioids and they have always been prescribed to me, but I knew that if I didn’t get control of it when the situation was still relatively small, it would wind up becoming a monster that in my profession I just cannot afford to battle. Anyway, Kratom works differently on each individual. So, you should start with: #1 a reputable company, #2 Get at least 2 of the popular strains to give them each a try. #3 MOST IMPORTANT STEP OF ALL: decide that you are ready to be done with opioids once and for all and hunker down for as long as you can, maybe even alone and with some things to ease any withdrawal symptoms you may experience like BC, ibuprofen, Benadryl, ice cream, candy, good books, etc. if your mind isn’t made up, then just wait until it is. #4 you can start the Kratom in small doses even while you are tapering down on the opioids. Just take as few opioids as you can, watching withdrawals and if they get too bad, take half of your normal dose. It will give you relief from withdrawals, but don’t go back up on the dose. For the Kratom, I’ve found the best way to take it is to drink it with orange juice and a small spoon of Metamucil mixed in it to facilitate absorption and decrease constipation. I put a sip in my mouth then the Kratom with it and swallow. It doesn’t taste at all like that. I really do understand the desperation when you want to stop, but feel trapped. There are so many people in true pain out there who are in the opioid trap. When you look at the science on a microscopic level, it really opens your understanding to the power these drugs have over your brain. The reason opioids are so hard to get off of, is because over time, after taking them for a period, your body makes little receptor cells that are opioid receptors. They HAVE TO BE FED! If not, you start feigning for more. Then, the longer you take them, these cells start multiplying!! Before long, there isn’t ever enough opioids to satisfy the craving, so people turn to bigger things to try and curb the desire. It happens to the best people, so nobody is exempt! A simple surgery can trigger it. Kratom feeds those same receptor cells, so it can literally help you wean from opioids. Kratom does not cause the receptor cells to multiply and although Kratom has a dependency threshold as well, it really is almost benign. There are withdrawal side effects, but manageable. Kratom alone has never been lethal. That fact is amazing to me! There has never been an overdose on Kratom alone. There have been overdoses that tested positive for Kratom, but the deaths were caused by other substances. Kratom will not give you a “high”. The effects are really subtle and beneficial, not something, in my opinion, that would be a fun recreational drug. I think, used in lieu of opioids and to wean off of narcotics, Kratom is truly a wonderful product! Good luck!
I appreciate that feedback as I am in the same boat. Weaning off and trying Kratom. My tolerance must be high because I feel
It takes a lot to help my pain and withdrawal. I think for me, being a RN as well, how much is too much? Just not familiar with dosing. I take it in capsules and will try to add Metamucil as well. Thanks for any feedback.
Love your positive outlook on the same issues and profession I am in myself. We HAVE to choose to educate the folks that ARE where we once WERE.
Thank you. Kratom has been nothing a positive experience for me when I made the same choice to wean off the opioids and never look back. When we give the testimony of how it has worked for us, it offers HOPE to the people who are sick and desperate to do now what we have done then.
God Bless and Thank you again.
I’m sorry, but do NOT advise any course of action that requires ‘tapering down’ to someone who is addicted to heroin. As an RN you should have informed him about the risk of seizure and death in people who stop heroin cold turkey. He may need to detox in a medical setting.
When it comes to Subs – Suboxone includes the ingredient Naloxone, which binds with opiates and removes them out of your system so I have no idea how Suboxone could even work when it is combined with Naloxone. Subutex contains only Buprenorphine which is a partial opiate agonist and not so bad as methadone.
SO if he wants to taper down (the most humane and least suffering way to tartrate down and wean off) then he REQUIRES something like Subutex. If he were to take Suboxone – it might also interfere with the Kratom effects! Unless he has a handful of pain pills or something, that he pre-measures out in subsequently lower dosages each day and takes in combination with Kratom. With kratom he may notice he needs much less opiate to avoid the horrible withdrawals.
Look, man, he said it was heroin. Your ‘advice’ is good for someone with maybe a low level pain pill addiction – and btw, you did not have a psychological addiction, you had a physical addiction (in addition to psychological). There is no ‘just psych’ addiction to opiates.
If he’s on heroin or any other opiate, he needs to go through withdrawal for twenty four hours, before taking buprenorphine. Otherwise the Subutex will literally rip all opioids from his receptors. I speak on this from experience. Ran out of my oxycodone 360mg.×day habit. I had some Subz on hand for emergency and made that very mistake. So the Subz do work, however it’s paramount to wait until you are in early stages of withdrawal first, before dosing.
Hey dramatic. The only people at risk for those things w heroin withdrawal are those with pre existing medical conditions. It’s the safest addictive thing to detox from alone. U may be thinking of alcohol or benzos.
Red MD, Red Bali and Red Malaysia work best for me with MD and Malay reserved for daytime and Bali for nighttime. My experience is that I need more during the first two weeks and taper down to ‘normal doses’ after that. My sweet spot is 9-12g per dose 3-4x/day during those first two weeks with the higher numbers needed of my habit has gotten really bad. But at a minimum 9g 3x/daily during the initial kick. Hope that helps.
First, how are you doing?did you find balance? I’m also kicking H, but I’ve done this before. Several times, in several ways including with Keaton. My main issue is after I’m clean, tapered off all substances including Keaton, I inevitably get bored and the familiar reckless surrender into oblivion yada yada. It’s not hopeless. You said you have no support. That’s a big one for me. I find meetings keep me “plugged in”. This is when I’m able to remain sober for long periods of time (no, I’m not one of those,I drink occasionally). I read something about a stran of red that doesn’t have that feeling of noticable head change or euphoria it’s seems helpful for stepping away from dependency into ability. If anyone knows what I’m talking about, suggestions would be great! I wish you luck.
Sorry I didn’t notice the autocorrect..Keaton=kratom duh.
Hello, i have been taking kratom daily for a year and i can tell you that it works.
it could take you months to get your usage technique down.. so ill tell you how to take it the right way.
1. take the greens and whites during the day, or when you need energy and focus…
ONLY take the reds in the evening when you’re chillin’. this is important
2. alternate strains like a madman… ex. 10am – 2 grams – Green Thai… 1pm – 2 grams – White Bali… etc..
do NOT take the same exact one 3 times a day… you will get diminishing returns rather quickly
3. less is more… no need to start taking 8 grams at once, because it wont feel any better than 4 grams.. trust me.
in other words, take the smallest. effective. dose.
4. find out if you are a ‘one dose per day’ kind of person, or a ‘i like to take this shit every few hours’ kind of person….
if you are the former, just go ahead and take a hefty dose of 4-6 grams (no need to ever take more than that…. remember less is more) , but if you take it several times a day, only take 2 grams at a time, that way you can redose in a few hours and get another jolt.
5. taking on an empty or nearly empty stomach is preferable, though sometimes it will kick in no matter how much food in your stomach.
6. stick to the regular kratoms… forget about the o.p.m.s. silver and especially the gold capsules. the silver feels stronger, but the euphoria is actually better with the normal kratoms because they have a wider spectrum of alkaloids. the gold capsules are $10 each…. and at that price, you may as well get what you REALLY want (hydros or oxys)…
Hi
What do you think of I mix 4 mg 2 green 2 red in a bottle of water
And drink it I’m patches
Honey most of that is horrible advice. He’s not trying to get high, he’s just trying to detox off heroin without DYING.
Red Bali, Red Thai, Red Borneo – the best pain relievers with the highest opiate sensation upon taking. You don’t have to alternate every DOSE just every couple of days will do. Green Malay is good for anxiety and stress relief and also has a pretty good potential of pain relief.
Since most people trying to cope with the withdrawal symptoms would probably love nothing more than to sleep as much as possible. I suggest no less than 5 – 8 mg for someone who is an addict trying to detox. Red strain kratoms are pretty high sedation, and higher doses of ANY kratom strain causes a sedative effect, even if mild. 6-8 mg is considered high dose. I’ve taken more, but not immediately, but I did start on the approx 7 mg doses.
Now that I drink kratom tea for energy, anxiety, mood lifting, etc., not just pain NOW I experiment with dose and strain.
FFS man, do you know how expensive ‘try different strains like a madman’ is?? This man doesn’t want to fuck with all that shit, he’s desperate and wants to stop taking HEROIN. I recommend medical detox before doing anything else, you can die if you stop taking heroin cold turkey. ONCE you’ve done the 2-3 day detox, THEN RED KRATOM – BALI, THAI, BORNEO – Bali is highly recommended, I have also recently read that a former heroin addict swears by the RED THAI AND THE RED THAI ONLY. And has stayed off heroin/opiates for years.
Not to argue, but I cannot take Red MD at night.
It keeps me awake on the natch and excaserbates the insomnia of WD’s. Conversely, I only take Red Bali at night bc it’s the only strain I have tried that has sedative properties. When giving advice about strains I only share my experience with them and don’t use any absolute words as everybody’s body chemistry is different (‘only’ being the word in question). In the spirit of trying to help new people, may I suggest you do the same? I did my best to word this in as neutral a tone as possible, but that’s sometimes hard to do in type, so if I offended you I apologise. I was only trying to help.
Also, 9-12g burned 3-4x/day is my sweet spot during the first two weeks of WD, tapered down after that. Again, I share my experience not absolutes. Everyone’s body chemistry is different. If I read your advice and followed it and was dimwitted enough not to think to try more I would have been like ‘this shit doesn’t work’ and, thus, robbed of this life saving medicine.
Hello informed community! I have been battling a serious in and out relationship with opiates the past five years thanks in part to three major surgeries. The most recent situation I’ve found myself in is absolutely stupid so, please bare with me. I went from two years sober to six months of 30mg of oxy a day. I then began participating in a sub program that had me at 16mg a day for about 8 months. I wanted off those things desperately so I tied the taper off and switch back to an opiate method which failed (no surprise). Currently I’ve been using H for about three months at less then 1/2 g a day. I want to be free from this hell! However I have a family that solely depends on me so I cannot just tap out cold turkey style. I’ve heard amazing things about using Kratom, CBD and other supplements together in order to make it through withdrawal with minimal amount of horror. I was wondering if anyone could suggest a good stain/ dose of Kratom? Also what a Kratom & CBD method might look like when used together throughout the day? I was considering adding the Genius Mushrooms supplement along with a 5-HTP herbal blend supplement and hormone balance supplement to try and give my body a fighting chance. Any advice or suggestions would be extremely appreciated! I’ve been obsessing over getting this underway for about a week and I’m ready to get back to my life!
Dude get these things and you’ll make it through fine. 1,000mg of CBD take 15mil in morning 10mil at night. Gabapentin 600mg 3 times a day maybe save more for the night. Clonidine 0.1mf 3 times a day. Once again take more at night and be very careful this is a blood pressure medicine. Kratom only at night when the withdrawal is worst. Buy a 3 ounce bag online and be done with it. Also eat healthy, drink tons of water, DXM cough meds and melatonin to help with the dreaded sleep until you run out of them. Stay away from sludgy foods and caffeine.
Hi there. So I was a heroin and oxy addict for about 9 years. Got sober for 2, then got super sick and relapsed. So now I’m addicted FULL BLOWN addicted to these pressies. ( fake 30s) (fents) ( the fentanyl pills. I can not get off of them. I’m miserable, I cant get well unless I have like 6 a day, I do one and go into minor withdrawls 4 hours later. 8 hours I’m pretty miserable and 16 hrs I’m F$$&$>× dying. I recently got 15 10mg Valiums, That new Lucemyra stuff, zofran, and suboxen. I’m terrified though. I cant get to the 24-36 hour mark to start taking small pieces of the suboxen though. I get so sick and I freak out and use again. Do you guys think the Valium, zofran and lucemyra will help? Cause I can handle a little bit of withdrawl, but this is insane. I’m talking every symptom possible at its max. Litterally a living hell. I’m wondering what recommendations you guys have for a less painful withdrawl process. The valium, zofran combo should help a bit.. but I’m hoping enough to get through this so I can start taking suboxen as well. I’m terrified and enjoyed sobriety much much more then this life. Its destroying me slowly.
Thanks
Why don’t you go into the hospital, the e.r. and tell them you’re trying to detox from them. They will set up a plan for you,and give you and i.v. Of meds that help with withdrawal,maybe even a script for meds to take until you can get into a clinic setting rehab. Hope everything goes ok. Those are some pretty heavy pills to take man. Be careful
Do not go to the ER for opiate withdrawl. Not good advice sorry to say….medical detox is the only thing that will give relief for extreme opioid addiction… as a heroin addict, i know first hand the power of opiates… and ER will give you clonodine and mayyyybe gabby at best….. you need to do a suboxone bump down method… only way it’s bearable.
Hey brother that’s quite a predicament. I’m sorry your in this situation I know what it’s like but, I’m gonna be straight up I’d say hold off on the subs for a sec. I think it would be better for you to stabilize on methadone first at least for a week or how ever long the physician says. This way you can transition from methadone to suboxone. I know people say it’s hard to do but, they do it all the time it’s not that complex. As far as the lucemrya and diazepam go I’m sure the Methadone physicians would tell u to hold off until they get you on the suboxone. I don’t know the lucemrya may actually be good for u to take while transitioning to suboxone to combat any adverse effects you might experience.
I completely disagree!! Methadone should be banned!! I’m a recovering addict!! It’s a legal high. FACT
Absolutely agree….government approved heroin
He said take it for the first week – someone this heavily addicted to opiates can’t just stop taking them, it’s deadly. Stop acting like “that guy” the ex-smoker who chronically lectures people on smoking. We all know methadone is just another type of opiate, but there is a method to start with methadone and then step down to suboxone and then taper off, and then start with kratom.
Rebecca, I see you posting hostile comments all over, what gives? Relax. You are also giving incorrect information. I am an addict in recovery myself, and i can tell you that detoxing from heroin is not deadly. Whoever told you that mislead you. It is VERY unpleasant and unbearable and you think you’re dying..but no seizures or anything like that if you were to cold turkey. Now, if you’re detoxing off of alcohol or BENZOS however, that is potentially deadly and will cause seizures etc if you don’t taper carefully.
I agree with you Ashley smith..methadone IS THE DEVIL AND KING DADDY OF AALL OPIATES..WORST MOST ADDICTIVE MAN MADE DRUG AND anyone who thinks withdrawals from H or any opiate is Hard?? You ain’t experienced NOTHING until you faced methadone withdrawal..it should ABSOLUTELY BE BANNED but the government makes to much money off of us for it unfortunately and YES I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE..I HAVE Now been off methadone for a month an a half and the 1st 5WEEKS WERE HELLLLLL!!! TRUST ME..BEST BET..Is to get a script of clonadine, a low dose benzos & Gabapentin 600 or 800mg and ONLY use them 3 meds for 5days MAX & atleast with those 3 meds you can get thru the 1st 48hrs with as little suffering as possible. Also along with Ibuprofen and benadryl to help you sleep but after 48hrs the KRATOM SHOULD HELP..just Make sure ITS A RED STRAIN..like Red Bali helped me for example. & DO NOT EVER GET ON METHADONE OR SUBS..This is the BEST advice I can possibly give anyone going thru H or opiate withdrawals..the LAST thing you want to do is go on methadone or subs which are just another LEGAL form of EXTREMELY addictive medications that the government controls and thus controls YOU..NOW..IF YOU REALLY NEED either of those then hey go for it but ONLY if you tried Yourself 1st and I also DO recommend dr. Supervision like going into a 5day rehab or your PCP who would be the one to prescribe the 3 scripts I mentioned also. Dont ever do it cold Turkey on your own because it can be very dangerous but PLEASE due ALOT of research on subs or methadone before jumping on. They do ALOT of damage if used long term so IF you do decide to get on either of them then id really suggest it if you CAN NOT STAY sober and as long as You atleast KNOW the long term effects and also how HARD they are to wein off of..I was NEVER told any of this when the doctors basically pushed methadone on me and it took me 3 long years of on an off withdrawals to get off that POISEN so also I want to say that if your gonna choose to get on one then subs are atleast a little easier to wein off of then methadone..also again I speak from PERSONAL experience so dont anyone dare tell me “I’m wrong” NO..IM RIGHT %100 and your FOOLED if you think I’m not..anyways ..please try to go 48hrs with NOTHING but the meds mentioned above which are again, Scripts: clonidine .1mg or .2mg (depending on severity of withdrawals)3xs day, A low dose of benzodiazepines..1x day(IF needed) & Gabapentin 600-800mg 3xs a day & wether to get the 600 or 800 again depends on the severity of withdrawals) & also the over the counter meds : Ibuprofen 800mg and Benadryl for sleeping or Melatonin which is a natural sleep aid. I’m so glad the worst is over for me and I started the Red Bali Kratom about a week ago and it has helped me ALOT with my back pain and the severe pain i was still suffering with over a month after that poisen methadone still making it’s way out of my bones along with 24 to 48hrs of NO sleep on some days..uuugh Kratom saved me from that agonizing pain and sleepless nights so I STICK BY KRATOM just gotta find a dose that works which for me personally is 5-6grms that I take in the evening of Red Bali but I am going to keep exploring and trying others..good luck to anyone reading this and God bless and also remember EVERY BODY is Different so what works for one may not work for another so never get discouraged..KEEP TRYING AND DONT GIVE UP..DONT LET THE DEVIL WIN. WE CAN RECOVER. Xxx
I don’t know where you live or the policies with your local hospital (here you can’t go into the hospital to detox, you must be suicidal/homicidal), but I strongly agree with Meg…go to the ER & tell them whatever you need to tell them to get admitted (I would steer clear of homicidal) & let them medically detox you. Going in to detox just to get put on Methadone or Subs is completely ludicrous to me. You’re detoxing off opiates to turn around & get on government approved opiates. Detox medically, find someone to talk to you, hell, go to an AA/NA meeting but do what you have to do to get your life back. It took me a long time but I have 6 years sober. Kratom has helped get me off 2 of my anxiety meds but at this point I would not ever know what to suggest for your symptoms. Maybe someone can help you on here with that. Good luck!!
My experience with Subs is that I don’t have to wait 24 hours. Usually 12 hrs is plenty for me. As long as I’m pretty sick I can start Subs or Kratom (unfortunately I’m one of those that goes into PWD with kratom). Even less time with Subutex (Box is way better than Subs IMO). With that said, everyone’s body chemistry is different so experiment at your own risk. Hope this helps.
Hey michael. I’ve been addicted at different times to heroin, norcos, methadone, subs, and of course, fent, those same 30s. Don’t worry, it’s not the worst kick. It seems that way Day 1 and 2 only. But it’s so sick you can’t even roll around miserably, u just lay there and sweat. After that it gets better. Other opiates took me over a week to stop withdrawals. It’s almost like with fent it’s really strong really quick. In my experience benzos are the only thing that helps. I could actually sleep and blacked out a lot of the misery.
Your focusing on it too much. When you start to feel a little sick dont start to panic. I think you could get through your withdrawals with large ammounts of kratom, thc and sleep. Imo tbh.
I am detoxing from oxycodone and can only find red vein in capsule form at store. I’m confused on how many capsules I should take to ease withdrawal symptoms. And help would be appreciated. Thank you.
At least 5 or 7 grams worth per dose, maybe more. Adjust for how bad withdrawal is. It works, I used it to quit heroin. But be warned, only use it for like 2 weeks or you’ll just get addicted to it
I’m making my own capsules and take about 4-6 grams at a time but everyone is different. It’s a lot of trial and error, but unlike opiates mote is not necessarily better. Start with 2-3grams wait and hour or so and then take 2 more
4-6 gs of kratom that’s sounds pretty high I just have a horrible pain tolerance to things I can’t sleep but I’ll take your advice thank u so much
You know people say that, and I read that, but when I started and since I didn’t have a scale capable of measuring a couple grams I just read conversion charts for teaspoon sizes & powders and tried to wing it. When I got a scale I found out i was taking as much as 15 grams per spoon. It was a little intense, but the worst that happened is I actually started sleeping every day (insomnia). For me 5 – 7 gr seems to be just about right – and I may only drink one glass kratom tea a day sometimes 2 if I’m awake for a long time.
Actually these little bit higher doses are known to cause sedation, even if white strains that are known for stimulation. The red vein kratoms like the Bali, if you take 6 grams a couple times a day YOU are gonna sleep. I understand, I have degenerative hip joint, I wake up because I’m sleeping on that hip and it hurts so much.
Idk….people telling him 6g is high for withdrawal….sure, we’re all different but I’m taking 15g 4 times a day red bali. Whole herbs. Capsules because I can’t handle the taste. That is JUST enough to keep me from calling the plug. Am I THAT bad, or are you guys potentiating somehow I’m not familiar with? Lol
OH thank god, I’m not the only one. I think a lot of these people do not understand what’s really needed for someone withdrawing from high opioid doses or heroin. People who maybe were addicted to low-moderate doses of hydrocodone, which you can live through those withdrawals (I’ve done it) but stronger opiates and higher doses, no way, man – it’s excruciating and can even kill you.
I don’t take that much anymore – but I started with the bali and I started on 15gr (I think I’ve been saying mg) more by accident than anything – I didn’t have a good scale ata first. But now I’m more around 8 – and I did find that mixing it with hot water makes it work much faster and more powerful effect.
Also, one time I didn’t take kratom for a day & did a kidney cleanse -its like 18oz water with 2 tablespoons olive oil, 2 tablespoons lemon juice then the same thing 30 minutes later with also 2 T apple cider vinegar – and the next day I felt the kratom effects SO much stronger. Try doing that. (I didn’t mix the oil & lemon juice with the water, I just drank it then drank the water).
Ya man people are drama and don’t kno what tolerance looks like. I started w 10g and if I take
Less than that it does nothing.
I even take ten to catch a Buzz with no tolerance, when I don’t have a habit. I don’t know how people take 2 Grams and think they feel it. For me that would be placebo. Idk good for them tho.
Amen bruddah. My sweet spot for the first two weeks in 9-12g, 3-4x/day then taper down after that and use K for maintence as I would Subs or (preferably) Box. Everyone’s body chemistry is different and people shouldn’t use absolutes, only share their experience IMO.