Dosage Conversion Chart

Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.

When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.


Average Powdered Leaf

MeasurementOunces
1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces

Crushed Leaf

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon0.9 grams
000 Capsule0.70 – 1 gram

Bali Powder

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
000 Capsule0.75 – 1 gram

Maeng Da Powder

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams

Green Malay Powder

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)

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Extract00 Capsule DosageEquivalent Powdered Leaf
Gold Reserve Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram7-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
ISOL-8 Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-7 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf

1,739 thoughts on “Dosage Conversion Chart”

  1. Just want to write down a couple things that may help some people looking to kratom.

    I am 25 years old, been struggling with heroin addiction since I was 19. I’ve had periods of sobriety, and have fallen off multiple times. I want to tell anyone struggling or not struggling with opiate addiction, kratom IS NOT a cure all. It can be used instead of prescription opiate medication, but beware some of the side effects of repeated kratom use can be the exact same and as unpleasant.

    If you have ever been through opiate withdrawals before, then you probably know about the agony I am speaking of. I used Kratom for months daily, and also for about a month 3 times a week and have experienced withdrawals both times. Obviously not as strong as when I was IV’ing a half gram a day, but the same restlessness, sweats, chills, etc. come into effect with kratom withdrawal.

    I think it can be beneficial as a SHORT TERM thing, but just know that kratom will cause withdrawals VERY similar to opiate withdrawals.

    Would I choose kratom over opiates? Yes.
    Would I choose sobriety over both? Yes.

    1. Hi Tyler,
      Not that I totally disagree with what you’re saying, yes if you use kratom daily you will experience withdrawal, however I will disagree with the intensity of it and if you are a chronic pain sufferer, the alternative is a chemical that messes worth your brain chemistry, while kratom is a natural substance known for its healing properties.
      I would just hate for someone to be scared off and rely on what the pharmaceutical companies manufacture that almost ruined my life. Kratom just like coffee can cause withdrawal symptoms, however done properly, the weening process should anyone choose to go off is quite manageable.
      There have been times that I’ve run out due to financial issues and even though I only had a little bit left, was able to be pretty comfortable and I’m a hard core withdrawal person.
      So, just my 2 cents 😊

  2. Im about to take my first dose of kratom for severe heroin withdrawals. I do about a half gram of heroin a day. How many capsules how many times a day should i take of the maeng da silver capsules?

  3. Hi everyone. I bought two small packages of Kratom quite some time ago and never really “got” it – no one was really talking about it, except that it helped for detoxing opiates and helped people relax and sleep.

    At that time, I knew nothing about strains, vein colors, varieties and such wide ranging costs…
    I tried it a few times when I got the packages (Both black zip lock bags with silver inside – very sturdy: 2 oz Maeng Da Leaf and the other one is a powered strain called Super Indo.): I tossed and washed – and flossed my teeth for hours!! (LOL) ; I mixed with lemonade in a water bottle and chugged; mixed with yogurt. It just wasn’t working. I must also say that I have had a medium size heroin (snorting not needles) habit since late 2012 that really started to get bad in the middle of 2013 – so figure I’ve been a dopehead for about 3.5 years or so? I’ve been reading lately that you really have to be in serious withdrawal for the kratom to work. This may have been my problem. We’ll see. This all may be for the best – get a load of why I’m doubling down:

    I have a buddy who gets not only 30mg oxys (he’s allowed one pill 6 times a day or so 180 pills/month) from his doctor, but since he admits he takes too much and such (and this really IS NOT ME), he apparently also gets to take up to NINE 10mg methadone pills per day (figure he gets a bottle of 270/month) – along with lyrica, gabentin (??) and all sorts of things. He’s an ELECTED OFFICIAL (Repub, of course). and used to sell me like 30 methadone pillls to get me through a bad week or month for 40 bucks. He’s also done straight one for one. He pays something like a $10/20 co pay because they’re generic.

    Now, since our new dealer meets us in parking lots and sometimes waits so there are 4 white people sitting in cars at a mini-mall in a mixed race (mostly african-american) area waiting for them. He chats them up and has gone into big business as of last month – he told me that he’d never raise prices on me bexause he knows I struggle just getting my dope. Last batch I bought for $50, he promised me 50 tablets. He gave me 31 and said “look, that’s less than 2 bucks a pill and well, I have so much demand now….” and I immediately chimed in with “you’ve spread yourself too thin”. Walking back into the house in the snow, I realize this guy who I’ve trusted (he’s never fucked me over until now) is an asshole who apparently doesn’t give a shit about me, but just wants to make his “coin”. That’s fine. I wish he would have been a little more up front about it. He knows I would have never given him that 50, though which is why he was playing fast and loose – I even recommended the coolest pharmacy that doesn’t fuck with you (I have a terrible benzo addiction – another story for another message board….)

    That day, though I swore never to give this man another dollar from me for being such a douchebag. One month later, I give in. I text him yesterday about getting some… He writes back kind of like a little popular schoolgirl, “well, I’ve really gottta check my inventory & see if I have enough for ME, but you’re gonna pay 3 bucks a pill how many do you think you want?” I text: “Really, what happened to our 31 for Fifty? I’ve been out of work and can’t pay that. Can we do like 25 for 50 even 20? I can guarantee you 50/month if you guarantee me at the highest, $2 a pill” He never texted back. Part of me wants to tell the drug dealers he’s squeezing in on his turf. Part of me wants to call the state in which he’s an elected official. Part of me wants to call his wife. The rest of me just needs to be calm, graceful and realize that karma is gonna get him.

    So, back to KRATOM: I’ve got 2 4oz. bags Red Borneo; 1 20oz bag RedMalay (a sample) plus those older ones (should I dump?) . And then a bunch more coming soon (4oz Red Bentuangie; 4oz Red Vein Bali; 1 oz. Yellow Vietnam; 2oz each of Red Bali, Red Horn Kali, Green Hulk and a mix called MYSTERY RELAX. I’m scared to death now more than ever about withdrawals because I have NO MORE methadone access. And it’s for the best I guess, as it’s supposed to be way worse then dope ever was, even mixed with baby laxatives LOL.

    I simmered 1tablespoon (*approx 6.5 grams?) of Red Borneo with some lemon juice and two bags of vanilla tea with 9-10oz water for about 16 minutes maybe 18, put it in a travel coffee mug (silver – like from starbucks, with the twisty black top), screwed the top on tight, and it’s in the fridge because I don’t get any more stuff until Monday and I ate the last two methadone last night and the jab i bought today will be gone in a few hours, I MAY be able to save myself a bag, but who has that willpower?

    Question: On the Kratom side of tea-making, etc. How did I do? On the Kratom side of Strain Choosing, etc. How did I do? In regards to the methadone, I’m better off with the Kratom in the long term, yes?? And finally, all in all, how do you think I’ve handled this really scary situation that now has me thinking about quitting for good. But it’s all going to come back when some family members die shortly and I am their only relative, you know?

    I dunno what to do. Even if I come off of the dope and get addicted to the Kratom. I’m not going to quit – I don’t want to quit. It doesn’t get in the way of my life – it enhances it, makes me friendlier, a harder worker and such without anxiety, fear or even drinking alcohol anymore. If this is too long and crazy, cut it down, mods. Otherwise, I thank you all for listening to/reading my story here – I thank you for your compassion and coolness in advance and will treasure and consider all reasonable (non-trolling) replies. Thanks so much!!!! Yours in the fight to keep it legal.xoxooxGC

  4. So anyone here is is not previously an opiate user what kind of dosage sizes are you taking to get an effect? I mostly want to take it for anxiety and depression relief. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

    1. Effect depends on 3 things: type(strains), dosage, tolerance. A new user gets the best effects, unless they get to much. For most strains, 2-3 grams mixed with orange juice or coffee and on an empty stomach will be about right. (This reply is on powders)
      Some types come on slowly, others fast. Be patient. All gently fade off after 3 – 6 hours.
      Some types provide relaxation(euphoria), others energy or pain relief. Some products have mixed effects. I’ve found that a good quality red+green mix is nice. MaengDa is the strongest and most popular.
      Finally, the powder is not the same color as the type. All powders are some shade of green. Google it.
      Please, no replies or junk email. Thanks!

    2. I started out with one teaspoon, worked fine for several months, now I do 1/2 tablespoon (or & 1/2 teaspoons) twice, sometimes 3x a day. This is about 4 grams. I almost always use red strains for my back pain, but it does wonders for your attitude too. My advice to you is to buy from a reputable internet supplier, do not buy the garbage in head shops or gas stations. I don’t know if recommending certain vendors is allowed here, if so let me know, I deal with the most reputable, highest quality source out of Boise.

      1. cap em quick and 00 capsuls are the best way to package them and eat them. I use it works good. I take kratom every day for extreme pain

        1. mike, have extreme pain also from failed lumbar surg Recovering from the surgery was so horrible for, that i thought about suicide every day.Refuse more surgery because i wont go thru that again. Will you please let me know which kind you use that works best for you and the dosage you advise. I read so much controversy and comments about what to do, but not much info can i find to single out the best for really bad bad 10 pain, chronic now. hoping to hear from you soon and thanks for being more specific enough for me to actually get a clue and reach out to someone. linda

        2. How much is in one 00 capsule? I just got the cap machine and 00 capsules and just made up a bunch, but need to know how much relatively is in one oo capsule?

      2. I would be interested in the source from Boise as I live in Idaho myself. I am looking for help with quitting the opiates and for energy and would be a first time user myself. And not exactly sure as what type to get or how much to take.

      3. I don’t know how much kratom will help while taking methadone the methadone has a really high affinity to the receptors the kratom is trying to attach toto which means kit Prolly take over most of the receptors itself leaving not much space for the kratom akloids to fit

      4. I would like to know your vendors please and I’m trying to find red bentuangi in bulk for a good price best ice ever had

    3. Newbie safe dose model

      I’m part of a group of about 20 people, equally male and female, of widely varying body types and ages from 18 to nearly 80, all of us recently experimenting with ingested fine powder kratom, and all of us neophytes. We’ve experienced much support for your warning: “Caution: People vary in sensitivity to kratom, and kratom from different sources can vary in potency (sometimes quite a lot), so these dosage estimates should be regarded as loose approximations…”

      In the interest of avoiding bad first experiences, I requested data from all of them and have produced this model which seems to work well:

      A good safe dose of fine kratom powder ingested, based on typical body fat proportions in men and women,* is 1 level teaspoon (2.25g) per 75# for men, and 100# for women, of whatever was their minimum healthy adult body weight. This compensates for differing body sizes and fat proportions.

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage#Typical_body_fat_amounts

  5. One of the greatest things about using Kratom now for my chronic pain disease is that the opiates are not in control anymore. I have an unfortunate soft spot for them and I would run out early. Naturally this kicked off a massive pain flare in addition to the withdrawal symptoms from opiates and I was remorseful every time. I didn’t doctor shop or double dip or use street drugs but I was horribly irresponsible and unsafe with my allotted amount each month. Ironically it was this pattern of abuse that precipitated me just giving up on pain meds altogether. I always had a half of a pill set aside for my pain management appointment and the day I forgot to take it was the day I was screened. Of course I was clean and even though the pain doc had specifically told me I was to use them only as needed I still had a contract that said I would have it in my system anytime I was tested. He fired me and I didn’t pursue another doctor. (I was down to 2 Percocet a day when he was my doctor. Previously it had been the OxyContin with Percocet for breakthrough pain or MS Contin with morphine for the breakthrough but I wanted to limit my access and requested far less when I saw him) It was about that time that I first learned of Kratom. I’m so thankful.
    I’ll be honest, I’d be off meds and still crave them but the craving is gone with Kratom. The pain is a 2 on a daily basis instead of a 6. My flares are few and far between and I haven’t been seen in an er for intractable pain and related hypertension in months. It’s amazing to me. My organs aren’t in danger of failing anymore because I’m dumb and can’t moderate myself. I have no desire to drink now even though I didn’t drink much before. I can do house work again and play with my kids. It’s saved me.

    I tore my Achilles and was given Vicodin and when I took it, even if I took it wrong, it did NOTHING. No euphoria whatsoever. I’ve learned since that cross tolerance is the reason for that but Its not an issue because I didn’t even use half. I actually disposed of them and didn’t hesitate.

    I’m a bit worried about the cost eventually but I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. I really can’t report getting sleepy, having energy or euphoria or any of the effects that people report aside from pain control and that’s okay by me. I’m scared to take more than I do because I don’t want to get nauseous. Anyone else have this?

    1. How much Keaton did you take to Eliminate your WD. I been taking 30mg oxycodone once a day and 60mg OxyContin 3 times a day. How much to diminish my WD? I have purchased 3lbs of maang Da red vein powder. Thank you so much.

      1. Brenton Campbell

        Take 5 grams to start and if you don’t feel great in 15-30 min just take another 5, or 10, or 20. You’ll overdose from pot faster than kratom. Its a world away from the poison Oxycontin. If you don’t feel great just take more, people say it helped… It doesn’t help, it all the way fixes it if you take enough. I went from curled up dope sick from heroin to feeling as good as I do on dope but not all fucked up. Enjoy the rest of your life and feel free to contact me if ya need advice.

        1. Hi I’m Mike, I’m on a lot of oxycodone and morphine, I have abused this month’s script as I can’t tell you why. Cause I don’t know. I have also been taking kratom for about 3 or 4 years now. Will taking kratom and morphine keep me out of withdrawal until I get my next script. I’ve never run out before but been though withdrawal before. So was just wondering if I take my morphine as I have a lot of that so I could double up on a dose of two if needed keel me out of withdrawal. I have about 9-10 ounces of kratom all different types. Red, green, white, all mang da

    2. Yes they make me nauseous two I take 1/2 gram at a time total gram a day and there’s no reason to go higher unless it’s urgent but only temporarily.

    3. I went cold turkey off my Morphine. It took 30 days of horrible withdrawal. When I told my doctor I had gone cold turkey, he came unglued. I now realize I should have slowly come off the Morphine. My caregiver at the time had taken my prescription to the pharmacy and then in the process, lost my prescription. Of course, I reported the loss. I wanted to make sure that my caregiver was not using my script. I am a happy camper now. No Narcotics. I live in Oregon where MJ is fully available. But, no more for me. I love the Kratom and now hangover from the use, I pray the drug companies do not take this drug and turn it against us.

      1. Im 60 yrs old, have come off heroin, methadone, morphine, dilaudid, among others. 30 days of withdrawal is BS. Either your mind is very weak or you are lying. It takes nowhere near 30 days to get past withdrawal of anything. BTW, I was using over 100 mg of MS along with 50-60 mg oxy, and shooting a bun or better of heroin daily as well last time I got arrsted, and withdrawal is over in 7-10 days max. SMH at some of the bullshit I read on here. “30 days of horrible withdrawal” lmao.

        1. Good for you!!!
          Everyone is different! I was taking a shitload of narcorics and for many years. I never did H, but YES it IS possible to wd that long and hard! You should be thankful yours didn’t last that long, but don’t minimalist others experiences. You aren’t them. It has nothing to do w having a weak mind either. Every persons chwmistry and make up is different. Be respectful!

          1. I have to agree. I was on suboxone for years and because of the long half life, my withdrawals lasted a long time. I was taking 3 or 4 8mg strips a day, which only 1.5mgs is roughly equal to about 60mg morphine. Onset was about day 2-3 and it lasted for 2 weeks but there’s something called PAWS which is also a form of withdrawal, just not on as much of a physical level. You can still experience lack of energy, pain, and insomnia 30 days later. So let’s be respectful of everyone and share our experiences as a testimony for others, instead of condemning someone with a hawty attitude. No one here knows better than anyone. Kratom helped me tremendously. I stopped that much sub cold turkey and burned kratom in place, which relieved 90% of my withdrawals. Just be sure to stay on top of your dosing at first. Give or take, kratom lasts about 4 hours. The whites, more for energy and mood lift, lasts about 2 hrs. The red, more for pain and anxiety/insomnia, lasts about 4 and one of my favs, the green Malay, lasts about 6 hrs. Everyone is different and I personally recommend starting low, like 2.5 grams which is a level teaspoon on average. Toss and wash or mixin with an acidic juice is best. I like grapefruit or apple cider vinegar diluted in water, which both enhance the effects. When in active withdrawal, you won’t experience the full benefits of kratom but relief is what matters at first. Any kratom will work, in my opinion. Definitely buy bulk online. Many good sources on blog sites for vendors. I have been burning kratom for a year and it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me. Totally takes my desire for opiates and alcohol. Relieves withdrawal and also keeps me from getting sick all the time. I work around small children and was getting sick every 2 weeks with a cold. After kratom, I’ve only been sick 2 times in the past year. It lowers blood pressure too.

        2. Ever heard of PAWS? Post acute withdrawal syndrome? Just because you say it didn’t happen to you doesn’t mean it can’t happen to others. What would be the op’s motive to lie? SMH. With your drug use and ignorant comment, seems like you’re the one with a weak mind and a liar.

        3. Maybe not horrible withdrawal but both times I’ve come off heroin I’ve had wd for 30 days easy. I was slanging (selling) the shit and had an unlimited supply. I remember the restless legs and the sneezing lasted 30 days for me. You get over the hardest symptoms after a week tho

        4. Hmm. When I kicked methadone, it was easily at least 3 weeks of hell. I didn’t feel “right” for a good 3 months. I’m now 2 weeks in from kicking Suboxone and thank jebus for Kratom. I tapered the Suboxone to a ridiculously small amount and I know for a fact that if I didn’t take Kratom at the moment, I would indeed be in hell. You seem real smart and sure do know a whole lot about dope, so I would assume you know that the half-life for methadone and suboxone is very long and logic would tells us that it would be a longer withdrawal process than say a week of the shimmy’s from kicking heroin, roxies and the like due to the fact that it’s in and out pretty fast. Again I’m sure I’m not telling you anything that you already don’t know. Like I said you seem like a real smart fella!
          Oh! One last thing….PAWS, look it up and maybe try to be nice instead of making light of someone else’s kick next time you decide to pound out vomit on your keyboard.

        5. That’s about how long it took me in jail to cold turkey 140 of daily methadone 30 + days no joke that’s when the sweats and insomnia and fatigue started to go away

    4. Hey Ainedo, I agree with what you are suggesting. Actually, our customers at Kratom store have found the product very helpful because they have taken it to a doctor’s guidelines and supervision. So my point is, if taken with utmost care and your body’s sensitivity, Kratom can be extremely helpful too!

  6. This change in CDC policy will certainly increase Suicides going forward. Nobody needs to tell me or suggest how to deal with Chronic Pain! 1989 began my Agonizing life with pain, and having 11 surgeries increased pain,not to mention RSDS, or chronic regional pain syndrom, stenosis cervical spine, lumbar spine, for many years tried therapy, accupuncture, and Yes even a spinal stimulator implant, All had little effect. The new CDC policy will Destroy what little life value I have had!

  7. Hello and thank you for this group.

    I am a 57 yr old male. 215 lbs, 6’2″ in height.
    Been on a Fentynal patch 100 mcg every 72 hrs for the past 15 yrs. Suffer from fail back syndrome with chronic LBP and neuropathy. I don’t take any other mess.

    I’m done. Can’t take the side effects and chains of opioids anymore and I’m no longer sure what kind of pain I really have.

    I’d like some guidance getting started. Purchased .5 kilo of Bali Red powder. I have a scale. What doseage should I shoot for and when should I start to wean?

    I’m extremely motivated to get this underway.
    Thanks

    1. Hi Chris:
      I am by no means an expert but sometimes getting answers here are rather slow. First thing I would do is join a Kratom group on Facebook. There is 24hr support and advice there. I am on my 3rd day opiate free and I am feeling great- really. Very minimal symptoms and have gone to work all three days. I’m amazed. The dosage I had to play with. I started out with too much and got nauseated. I found that 3.5 grams every few hours has worked for me. I’ve even been sleeping. The Facebook group I joined is called Kratom (new and current users).

    2. I’ve been taking kratom for a few years now,was hooked on percocet and this was a godsend, dosing is different for different people and depends what affects your trying to achieve, also on quality and type of kratom, 1 to 5 grams for stimulation, 3 to 7 grams for pain relief, always start lower and see how it affects you and slowly increase to achieve desired affects,make sure you find a quality supplier with a good review history, remember this isn’t opiates so you won’t get as high from this but it does work,
      Hope this helps
      Tom

    3. With your tolerance to pain meds, I would start with 2 grams three times daily. I was on 15mg morphine twice a day and four percocet 5mg four times daily and now I supplement it with 3.5g of Red Fibro from pabotanicals.com great stuff

      1. Hello there! I’m fairly new to Kratom. I’ve been taking a level teaspoon sometimes less than a teaspoon, 2-3x day of green maeng da. I decided to capsule it in 00 gel caps. How many will I take for one dose?

        1. Hello my name is mike. I use kratom every day for severe back pain in upper and lower spine. If theres any questions or advice I can help you with just email me. I have every day level 8 pain and the bad days is level 10 pain. I use cap-em-quick pill maker with 00 capsuls and make my own. I take 4 grams when i get up at 7 am then again at 1 pm and again at 7 pm upping the dose by 1 to 2 grams every time. So 4 grams at 7am, then at 1pm 6 grams and 7pm Ill take between 7 and 8 grams every single day. This reduces my pain level to almost nothing. My quality of life is 99% better then when I was taking prescription pills.

          1. Hi mike can u send contact info please. I’m about to cut the pd loose tiered or chasing pills. I do need them for pain and not for addiction ( tho it doesn’t matter what u need it for ) just mite be a difference in dosage. Thanks allot

          2. Hi Mike. I’m so excited I just received my Kratom and have been reading the blog. Yours especially interests me because it sounds like you have similar pain problems; I’ve had disc surgery, they want to do more with spacers and fusing( which I don’t want to do), and all those other degenerative things, arthritis….blah blah 🙂 I’m so tired of taking Norco and the ups and downs. I took my first dose today about 4pm of Kratom about 1.5 teaspoons of red maeng da with applesauce and I did feel it quite a bit but not in a bad way. I felt so relaxed and I actually just sat and watched tv for over an hour without getting up! I need to figure out my dosage wondering if I should take more tonight. Ok, now, my question for you – how many capsules does it take each time you do your dosage? I took the Kratom today with applesauce and almost gagged so I’m thinking capsules but sounds like it will take a lot. I’m so glad it is working for you! That is fantastic. Being in pain sucks. Appreciate your input. Cindy from California

          3. Thanks Mike. Maybe you can help me get started with Kratom. I am tired of chasing scripts and running out. I take 10-12 10/325 vicoden a day and cant seem to monitor myself to make a script last 30 days. I end up beating the street to ‘survive’ until a refill. I purchased an oz of the Maeng Da Red Vein and White vein along with the Bali powder and Bali capsules not knowing what would be best. I have 7 days until my next fill and the devil is knocking at my door. Can you advise please what the best way to begin?

          4. I am new to this. I have had hip replacement. Need another and shoulder replacement. I also have severe bursitis and rotator cuff tears. The psoas tendon on right side is completely shot. I have had the injections in both hips and shoulders 6 times each with no relief. I take only tylenol and aspirin for pain because my doctor thinks I am too old to take any narcotics. I am 70 but if I could just get the edge off it would be great. I ordered red maeng da capsules that say 250 g on package. No instructions for how much to take. Can you help?

    4. Good luck to you and good attitude about quitting.
      it’s good you have that kratom, but imo you should have a few different strains and rotate them, not take the same kind everyday. You want to keep your tolerance guessing and not get stuck on just one kind. I personally (though I praise the plant and think it’s way better than any RX, pain Med) think you should start out as low as possible.. maybe 4-5 grams. See how that treats you. Fentanyl is strong, I too was on that. So, if after 45 min to an hour it’s hasn’t relieved things as much as you’d like, I’d add another 2-3 grams…
      I wouldn’t try to stay on it longer than a month or so..and unlike the guy above saying you can take as much as you want and go ahead and take 30grams… I disagree. No it will not hurt you, but your body will become dependent on it still, so least is best. When tapering, I would just knock off 1/4 a gram per dose, or a gram a day. I did this and it was the easiest. I still Was a tiny bit uncomfortable for a few days, but NOTHING like from Fentanyl and if you’re not taking more than 6-10 grams a day (that’s even a bit more than you need, but again you may need that since we’re talking about fentanyl) and you wean correctly, you should be ok. 🙂
      Good luck!

  8. I’ve been dabbling a little, keeping things at ~1 to 1.5g, trying different types. I had some around dinner time a couple weeks ago, and then realized I’d have to go to sleep soon. I am, unfortunately, “hooked” on Ambien for sleep, and I was afraid to take one. After trying to go without, I eventually took an Ambien for sleep. Are their any strains that are good for sleep?

    1. The best veins by far for sleep, pain, and anxiety are going to be in the Red family. Red is the most opiate like. Green is a balance of energy and pain relief. White is the most energizing least pain relieving. Red Bentuangie, for example, is great for sleep. 🙂

  9. Hi everyone,

    I am looking for recommendations on types of Kratom for Pain AND energy. I have Fibromyalgia, Cervical Stenosis, Herniated Discs in Lower Back, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to name a few. Pain and Fatigue are the biggest issues. I was prescribed Hydrocodone 10mg 4X a day for 12 years, and about 4 months ago switched to Oxycodone 10mg 4X a day due to tolerance issues and me finally saying the “Hydrocodone isn’t working!”. However, now I’ve noticed the pain is increasing and I can’t take it. I don’t want to be dependent on painkillers. I just need RELIEF. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Thank You!

    1. Hey, I would look into a book called “Back Mechanic” by Stuart McGill for how to deal with your back issues. And I believe the red stem varieties are best for pain. Some distributors list the different benefits of the various strains. So search around for one of those. All the best, and it is possible to reduce that pain, and it doesn’t require costly therapies or surgery. This book was a life saver for me. I have a herniated discs in my lumbar as well as stenosis. This book simply allows you to find your pain triggers, and guide you towards exercises that will be suited for your unique back issues.

      1. Thank you for the suggestion of the book, I have had 3 surgeries, the next one will be a fusion. I am terrified at the thought.
        I’m getting this book, thanks again

  10. First thing is that if you are using this substance to get off of opiates, it’s important to buy a scale that measures grams. It’s really not that much of an investment to get yourself out of the situation you are in and do it correctly.
    I take Kratom for opiate withdrawal and I’m sorry to say that I withdraw just about every month when my meds run out. It’s not ideal but it’s the situation. Anyway, I take 10 grams 3x per day (sometimes 4 if it’s really bad) for the first few days and then I can bring it down several grams over the next few days. If you are on Kratom straight up and no more opiates then you should plan to need Kratom for a block of time.
    Red Vein Borneo is by far the best for opiate withdrawal and I have tried them all. I find that the literature and advice online is severely lacking when it comes to dosage. Primarily with regard to how many times per day. Many will tell you the number of grams to take but not tell you how many times to dose that during the day to keep withdrawals from creeping in on you. This stuff works, it really does but dosing properly is essential.
    Start smaller and work up. My advice is a red vein strain starting at 6 grams on an empty stomach. After 30 minutes to an hour you will know what this dose is doing for you. 4-6 hours after your initial dose you will need to dose again and you will now adjust according to your experience. If it wasn’t enough, go up a gram. If you felt too much nausea or anything else unpleasant, back off a little. Your body will adjust to this substance over time and if you are getting any negatives they will dissipate. I know that compared to what some say, dosing up to 30-40 grams over a 24 hour period sounds like a lot. But it is what I require to stave off withdrawal hell and I must say I am not sick, I have no anxiety, I have no pain and I have no cravings. Kratom is what’s up but you’ve got to take the right amount in the right increments.

    1. I agree completely. It’s not unheard of for people in SouthEast Asia to dose up to two ounces a day. That is quite a lot. But considering opiate cross tolerance with kratom, it’s not that much. One ounce I mean. Kratom got me off of morphine nice and easy.

    2. Thank you for this info. I bought the red vein Maeng Da Thai to try to withdraw but will get some Bali if there is a big difference. I haven’t fully jumped into it -after all my life isn’t completely ruined yet just nearly. I am trying to cut down from my 160-200 mg/day oxycodone and the best I have done is down to 120mg for the past few days. I weigh about 115 -don’t know if that matters. Does it make sense to take some Kratom in-between doses of pills as I cut down? There is so little info out there about exactly how to do this. Yours is the best explanation I’ve read. I will be out of pills and money in the next day or so and will have to switch completely over to the Kratom. Any help or encouragement or advice is appreciated. I’m much too old (62) to be going through this again. I kicked heroin and methadone 30 years ago. I started back on the narcotics due to surgeries about two years ago.

      1. Hello, my opinion is you should’ve been dead just like I should’ve been dead from overdosing on oxy which I was taking 20/7.5s 3×a day. I switched over to suboxone thinking it would be better and it was great until I went through withdrawal trying to come off subs they are horrible but the truth is I switched to kratom and walla I am clean and sober never even experienced withdrawal symptoms and I have been on opiates for over 10 yrs. You need to reach that breaking point like I did and know it’s either death or great clean and sober feelings

        1. Thanks for your reply and yes, somehow I have managed to stay alive despite what I have put my body through. I had a horrible time getting the Kratom down with the taste and then nausea so I gave up for awhile but ready to try again. I’ve ordered some capsules which should have been here yesterday but I guess the current weather everywhere has delivery delayed. Thanks for the encouragement.

          1. Have you.tried making tea? There are.some easy recipes.online. after.boiling kratom and letting it.steep a few, i strain water (with facecloth to catch plant particles) and using the hot water to make black tea or coffee..add sugar, milk and much easier to digest. You can also use heated Kratom 1 or 2 extra times but potency decreases.

          2. Hi Debra…I use Kratom for huge back pain. The best way I’ve found to take it is in a glass full of chocolate Insure. It is thick enough to keep the powder suspended and the chocolate flavor really masks the funky taste. I hope this helps you a bit and all the best to you on your quest. There is hope. Lenny

          3. I just looking for help on starting kratom for opiate withdrawal. I have some, but I have no idea how much to take and I’m out of my doc. Can anyone help me?

          4. Debra, just read your post and wanted to see how this was working for you. I’m officially out of oxy so instead of getting more I need to be done! Really hoping kratom will help with wd they scare the heck out of me. I’ve gotten my oxycodone down to 5 times a day 7.5mg/ basically every 5-6hrs. Any advice on how many capsules I might start with?

        2. Thank you Joe for your experience. I, too thought subs were a life saver, until… There my worse nightmare. I’ve been using the red vein Maeng Da, and I feel great. I’ve wasted so much time and money on Suboxone and I’m sorry the day I ever started them. Like you, I’ve reached my breaking point.

      2. Hi Debra. Hope your efforts are going well. I have only a moment right now so I just want to wish you luck. I would suggest using something other than Maeng Da but it will work. I will leave a more detailed response tomorrow about why I prefer Borneo/ Bali.

        1. Thanks for your quick reply. I lost this thread until now so didn’t see it until this morning. I did not do well with the Kratom because I just couldnt get it down. I managed a dose which I don’t even know what effect I felt but woke up that night projectile vomiting. So I gave up for then since it was an extremely busy time at work and did not seem likely that I would stick it out. So it’s a month later and I placed an order for the capsules- both Bali and Maeng Da -should have been delivered yesterday but because of weather is stuck somewhere. I have enough pills to get me through a few days but I’m looking forward to trying again. Everything I have read everywhere has said the Kratom works for opiate withdrawal but I have to give it a chance for it to work for me. I would like to hear more from you about the strains and how to set myself up for success rather than falling back on excuses. Also, I’m wondering if there are other things I can use either rx or herbal that would help. For instance, I have 70 tramadol but don’t know if those would be helpful and if so, how I would incorporate them. I also keep pot on hand. I appreciate your willingness to share your experience with me (and others). Helpful and substantiated info just isn’t that available so I thank you in advance.

          1. I mixed the powdered kratom with orange juice and that works well. I tried tea coffie tinture and this was by far the best way for me

          2. I’m now on my third day and feeling great. Shockingly well. I had to do capsules and that is working for me. Took a little to find the right dosage but so far, so good. I’m amazed. I should be sick as a dog.

          3. Jenna – sorry I did not see this sooner. I am doing absolutely fantastic! I got through withdrawals without skipping a beat- worked every day, slept at night, no restless legs. My biggest issue was my body temperature. I could not keep warm so I had to keep a heater on me at work and keep my heat cranked at home. So I am still doing kratom- mostly greens and a few blends that have every color strain in them. I don’t worry about being dependent on it because it’s better and cheaper than all of the oxy’s I was taking. When I take my doses every day, I just think thank you, Mother Earth, for providing this wonderful plant that I can take instead of opiates and still feel good. It has been a lifesaver to me.

      3. Don’t use the opiates in conjunction with Kratom because of cross tolerance. I couldn’t figure out why I didn’t feel a thing when I took my pills and I was on Kratom and it’s because the Kratom cancels out the opiate and you’ll build a tolerance to the opiate. Alternate days if you need to but don’t put pills in between doses.
        It’s surprising how much Kratom really does. It’s like magic.

    3. Alright so this is my first time ordering Kratom I order 2 onces of maeng da which comes to about 56 grams. I been taking tramadol for about 6 months now and I hate it when I run out of medicine the pain is too much to handle and I would love to get off this using kratom. There isn’t much info out there when it comes to the right amount to take daily in grams . What would be the right dosage to take daily and how many grams per pill would be recommended? Any help would be appreciated.

      1. Tramadol is a double edged sword. It works on the serotonin as well as opioid neurotransmitters making it twice as tough to detox from. Start low and Go slow! (Vaping Cannabis helped me cut through it.)
        I have been off big pharma meds for 12 years with cannabis only for fibromyalgia, TMJ and Complex Regional Pain Syndrome.
        I am new to kratom helping my husband detox from oxycodone and can not believe his level of happiness and pain relief. Many years ago, he went from 560mg oxy a day down to 240mg a day before getting set back with a triple bypass. He took 8mg Klonopin and is down to 2mg using cannabis, (he easily eats 600 mg Lab tested THC a day) which was like “shooting a bb gun at a Sherman tank” from the 240mg to 125mg oxy this past year. He has been on opioids and benzos for 27 years. He is 61, needs 5 discs fused in his neck, hated being alive and could hardly function.
        He took 5 grams of Red Bali Kratom in a paste and gag form, and was a believer. Although watching his face wrinkle and squint (and enjoying the taste of green tea myself), it didn’t take much to realize we needed a more accurate and less offensive way of dosing. So, I made 00 capsules (24 at a time and .5 grams each) of the 5 sample strains I purchased… He has been taking 7 grams or 14 pills three times a day. The ratio of reds 2 parts to 1 part green or white. (I did the math and paid $119 for a capsule filler on Amazon that makes 189 pills at a time – it should be here to try tomorrow and a supply of RED BALI and Green Hulu to make a month supply.) With this dose of kratom between his oxy doses (He is a large guy at 6’6” 260# and high tolerance to everything – reread functional on 560mg oxy) he has been able to extend his oxy use out to every 6 hours, saving 15 mg per day for the last week. It has given him hope in a desperate situation.
        Yesterday, He took 3 grams of Vietnam Glow (a white strain?) with 3.5 grams of Red Borneo and was bouncing off the walls with energy. (FYI, There is a reason it is sold as a sexual enhancer in headshops.)
        Being from an educational and scientific background, I support the use of capsules and a scale for accurate information. Capsules are slightly delayed release (approximately 20 minutes) followed by protein to prevent stomach upset and lots of water. He also is journaling his amounts and effects with various strains. I went on several websites printing out their strain descriptions and educational materials.

    4. Hey haron I myself came off perk 30s (blues) about 2 to 3 a day with suboxone I haven’t touched any pain pills in atleast 6 months but I have been on the subs for a while started tapering off I’m down to a quarter a day once a day I just ordered 178 grams of the meng da my question is since I never used kratom or anything do I have to wait to use it or can I just start it right away? I really don’t wanna go see the devil (withdrawl) best way I can put that lol cause that’s basically what it is straight hell

      1. Hey,
        You can start taking it as soon as you stop. It hits similar receptors and does block some of the effects (in my experience-2months so far) Start with 4-6grams(level teaspoon) . I found Bali mixed w.white.md to be the most helpful strain.

  11. If I just finished taking Percocet 5/325 for pain yesterday…can I take O.P.M.S. Kratom silver Maeng Da with my Mega Man vitamins today? Is anyone aware of any interaction. Also how many should I take for my back muscle pain?

      1. I don’t think the person meant they only took one, I think they meant a course of treatment or longer but that was the most being taken at one time. The info is vague but this was my take on it.

  12. I have to say I’ve really enjoyed reading all of your comments! It’s interesting to hear your testimonies and experiences with kratom. What a cool little community we have here! The marijuana lovers have a whole scene, society, and culture… I hope soon we will have a wonderful KRATOM LOVERS community/hub! I can only imagine what that world will look like! What will our logo be? Let’s not just hijack the weed-scenes images and phrases, but make our own! I like to draw I should take a little kratom and get doodling! Let’s build this together! 🙂 I love you all.

    1. Hi Derek! I appreciate your positivity! I have been a daily user for about three years. I I am diabetic, and suffer from neuropathy. However, Kratom has certainly done more for me than help alleviate pain. I am certain it has helped my depression, and I mean a lot! Also, my focus issues are much reduced. I am a fan, and I am happy that it will remain legal for now. My hopes are it stays that way.

      I’ll do whatever I can to help you start a community! This plant deserves it! It also deserves much respect, in my opinion. Kratom’s ability to help people either overcome, or at least properly manage, many different conditions that hinder a good life is astounding. I think as it is studied more in the coming years, many great things can come from its use.
      As a community, we should be proper advocates for it… Positive representatives.
      I’m in!

    2. Katherine Camardelle Smith

      I like reading all the info thats posted. I use Kratom. I am just learning.
      How do I join your Kratom Family.?
      For our cannabis we do have several pages on FB.
      Do they have a Kratom page on FB?
      I use both.
      My testimony is so long.
      Right now I would just like to get to know people using Kratom. Not to many in the cannabis world do both.

      Thanks
      Kathy

      1. Hello all! It’s been wonderful to read all these amazing Kratom stories. I have been using Kratom daily for about 3-4 years now. My experiences so far have been amazing pertaining to Kratom’s pain relieving properties. I injured my knee at a concert and I’m a caretaker for my brother who has Spinal Muscular Atrophy. Helping my brother and having a pretty intense physical work scene definitely puts a strain on my back and knee. I recently purchased an inversion table for my back. I’m not here to promote them, but they most assuredly work for stretching your muscles and taking pressure off the spine.
        Since I live in Denver CO, I use both cannabis and Kratom. There are quite a bit of people who use Kratom AND use cannabis. I take 3 natural thai pills from Urban Ice when I wake up, and 3 more when I get to work at 3 pm. I work in the food industry and Kratom doesn’t stop me from excelling at work with either focus or energy. I swear buy this stuff!

      2. I went cold turkey off my Morphine. It took 30 days of horrible withdrawal. When I told my doctor I had gone cold turkey, he came unglued. I now realize I should have slowly come off the Morphine. My caregiver at the time had taken my prescription to the pharmacy and then in the process, lost my prescription. Of course, I reported the loss. I wanted to make sure that my caregiver was not using my script. I am a happy camper now. No Narcotics. I live in Oregon where MJ is fully available. But, no more for me. I love the Kratom and now hangover from the use, I pray the drug companies do not take this drug and turn it against us.

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