Dosage Conversion Chart
Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.
When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.
Average Powdered Leaf
| Measurement | Ounces |
|---|---|
| 1 gram | 0.035 ounces |
| 50 grams | 1.75 ounces |
| 100 grams | 3.5 ounces |
Crushed Leaf
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 2.7 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 0.9 grams |
| 000 Capsule | 0.70 – 1 gram |
Bali Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 6.2 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.3 grams |
| 000 Capsule | 0.75 – 1 gram |
Maeng Da Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 7 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.6 grams |
Green Malay Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 6.9 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.4 grams |
Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)
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| Extract | 00 Capsule Dosage | Equivalent Powdered Leaf |
|---|---|---|
| Gold Reserve Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 7-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| ISOL-8 Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-7 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
I’m a severe addict and alcoholic I have had a lot of treatment and tried so many things so that I can just have a normal productive life without depe ding on substances. Due to harm reduction I ended up taking suboxone to cut cravings,pain,restless legs ect. I am now a slave to this medication and without it I’m in complete wd and I’m just tired of it. I recently stopped my suboxone cold turkey and have been using kratom along and marijuana to get through the withdrawals.. I just got an alice blend ,red bali, and some green batak. They sent me a sample of some resin and I was wondering if anyone has used it for withdrawal from opiods and how it worked. I started with caps but was still really sick so am now doing the toss n wash with caps in between and it is literally a god send!!!!! Suboxone free 6 days today but still struggling bad just got my order of kratom and if anyone has advice on how to use the resin that would be a great help.
I just saw your story and wanted to tell you how proud I am of you, it takes a lot to walk away from addiction and for some reason your story resonated with me. Keep your head held high and your chin up, you can do this! Even though we’ll never meet I just wanted you to hear some positive reinforcement! Great job and keep up the great work!
I too am cutting that ball & chain.. I am looking into kratum.. Because i have no energy & back pain from fused vertebrae. I just wanted to share the 3 other natural things i have done so far, that have helped me sleep ok& i literally have not gotten depressed once. I have tried doing this few times before, but that dark night of the soul drew me back into the bs.. Heroin..to be straight. I am almost to 30 days.. No suboxine..
Granted.. I was sick as hell puking & ya know.. For about 5 days… Dr pepper, 7 up? & ginger chews.. Helped a little… Then… When i could hold down a little food.. Stuck to brat diet( bananas, rice, applesauce & toast)
Shaky writhing legs … Epsom salt bath( also helped my back pain a more than i thought it would… I only soaked for like 10 mins& back to bed..
I have been taking Makuna, sometimes called Dopa Makuna) 500mg 2 or 3x a day
(i got Samsura powder online..i think from amazon.. Costco had the SAM-e 1xa day after i eat breakfast… ( i have been taking& extra strength melatonin 10mgs 3x a day… Then i swutched up to taking 30 mgs after dark…either all at once or spread out if i was waking in the night.
Body aching like cotton fever…. Never happened.
My attitude is positive& good… No downers… I am irritable at times… But thats because i finally have my head out of the clouds and passing time is quite relevant to me.. If i wasnti would think there was something wrong with me.. Ive been numbing that for8 yrs…. I am feeling weak& total lack of. Energy, but i am almost 50.. So.. I am thinking of trying the Kratum to get me back to life?
Penopole.i just did kratum
It worked wonders.i to am almost 50.have done everything and quit on saturday.i had chopped a sub to into 8 pieces and believed that wasted my problem.my old friend..alcohol since I stopped banging whatever as much as possible I got on Suboxone.it helped turn me into manageable.but I have been drinking like a pig all my life.less at the hight of my drug use.so I haven’t slept in 3 nights.today I’m working and went into total opioid withdrawal.ive got a buddy but can’t get there.im way more worried about booze killing me and ruining my life.anyway I was down.spent the morning till 1130 in the bathroom.i saw a kratum sign this morning.so I went the 1/4 mile hike dying
Drank 3 grams.im 80pct better..hope this helps and I hope I don’t croak here.
I am 57 y/o male with multiple inflammatory joint disorders. Arthritis in every major joint, inflammation from diabetes, degenerative joint disorder, bulging and herniated disc in multiple areas of my spine. I have been using kratom 3 months and I can honestly state that it works quite well for me. Research the different strains and take according your specific ailment. You may have to go to multiple sites to get all the available data on the different strains. I have tried 5 different strains and they did what they say they do…energy boost, sense of well being, anti-anxiety, stress, major pain in all areas of pain. My mood has been excellent and the pain relief and sense of well being are wonderful!
I too have diabetes. I’ve also been on suboxone a little over a year. I’m just ready to be done with the suboxone and at the same time i have a 3 yr old with cerebral palsy and a 2 year old. Definitely looking for the energy boost and focus for my kids and health. Can you tell me what you found works best for you as I’ve been researching for days and I’m still not sure where to start
I have RA which causes me great pain and have a one year old. White Maeng da and green Malay does it for me also try extract if you need strong stuff
Hey Penelope, I would recommend trying a white vein Kratom in the mornings and at noon, (1 tsp each dose) and then use a red vein at night to help you sleep. White veins are known to be more energy producing, helps me with my anxiety, and boosts my mood. Let me know if this helps. Anyone here can contact me at [email protected] for any questions or concerns. I have done a lot of research on Kratom and am pretty knowledgeable in the subject. I am also a former addict of pretty much every drug minus alcohol. Please be careful to those who use klonopin or another benzo for alcohol withdrawal. Benzo withdrawal is just as bad if not worse. I know what an extreme benzo withdrawal feels like and it’s very dangerous. Please contact me with Kratom questions and help for addiction. I am not a professional or a doctor in anyway, and I am not trained to give medical advice, I can only give you advice based on my experiences and if you choose to follow my route, it is on your own free will. I would highly recommend researching Kratom along with my advice to ensure you know some basic knowledge that could help you make your own decisions as well. My advice does come from experience, so feel free to contact me about Kratom or addiction. I just had to put that disclaimer for my safety. And yours as well. I check that email once a day around 8-10pm.
Alicia!!! Dude congrats!!! Slot of people on this site have gone through similar stories; this is a great site to go to for encouragement and awesome jratom advice…. If you go through the forum you find a lot of stories that touch one base or another of your situation. The great thing is again…. Your going to find people that have been through your tough times… I wish you all the best
Congrats! I hope you are doing well. I was a suboxone addict and alcoholic drinking half gallon of whiskey a night for years. I had liver failure, kidney failure, pancreas failure, heart stopped 2 times ,one for 23 minutes. 2 month coma. Today I am 1 year and 7 months sober! Your can do it! It won’t always be difficult. This is the last time you ever have to feel this sick! I hope you are still sober!
I am starting kratom to try and quit drinking. I drink a fifth of 86 or 101 proof of whisky a day. I have been doing this for 8 years. Does anyone have any suggestions for me?
Kratom and alcohol are on two different planets. Kratom will help with the withdrawal symptoms. I use kratom for I am a fifty five year old laborer; Kratom stops me from hearing my bodys moans of pain and anger of still having to pay for a bed to sleep so I can get up and go back to work and earn enuff for a bed to sleep in. My prayers are with u my father was lterally born with a beer bottle in his mouth.
The alcoholism (so called disease) did not hurt him as much as his people, like me hurt him, for having what he called a crutch or a vice.
The Truth is God created u and the universe and you are completevwith water pure water is best with someone to love.
Thank you for your honesty. I was on the understanding that kratom will help me through withdrawal and help With my addictive receptors… I am only 29 and am really really wanting to grow old with my fiance. Do you have any recommendations?
My roommate actually used maeng da powder to quit drinking and it really did work for him. He started taking 5grams at first 3 times a day and worked up to 10 grams 3 times a day. After 2 months of no longer drinking. He dialed the kratom back down to 5grams 3 times a day for 2 weeks. Then quit taking it all together. Now he is substance free. Hope this is helpful and I wish you well.
Thank you so much Edgar. You just gave me hope
Be careful with alcohol detox. I am also a nurse. Alcohol detox can actually kill you. It would be better to get medical help the first few days then maybe move to the kratom. If you have any other questions please let me know.
How long after stop drinking is withdraw life threatening ?
No I wouldn’t do Kratom at first if you get any sort of withdrawal from alcohol cessation….it could be extremely dangerous. I would go to the doctor and get on a low dose of valium and slowly lower the dose. Alcohol works on gaba receptors, Kratom works on opioid receptors, two completely different things . Remember this is your only life and people have died from alcohol withdrawal so don’t rely solely on internet advice and seek professional help.
Jessica having detoxed from the booze many times your alcohol volume needs a taper or benzo detox.
Be careful DT’s can kill you, weaning is dangerous
Off of opiates or off of alcohol?
I was an ICU nurse for many years. I would recommend a medical detox where you can be monitored for arrhythmias in the heart and rapid pulse, as well as delirium, nausea/vomiting/diarrhea as well as seizures. People have died detoxing from alcohol.
Thank you stephanie…. I think that is going to have to be the route I take
Same jessica, ICU rn here. You need to be monitored when withdrawing from alcohol which could lead to DTS and sometimes ultimately death.
Find something else kratom has no affect on gaba and will not help with the withdrawal if you’ve gotten to that point
Ok thank you
Jessica… send me an email. I kicked it a year ago and would like to be available for support as you go through the process. potedenuni at gmail dot com.
Get some gabapentin from your doc it will help with your withdrawals also try and get some baclofen as it will help with cravings. That is if you want to do it on your own. Otherwise a benzo taper or alcohol taper. Just google alcohol taper and make a plan. You can do it!
Thank you j. But I don’t want to use mexications to get free. I know will power is simply not enough. I am really trying to find a natural way to have a 1 month plan. My addiction now is simply physical.
Easy on the gabapentin.. I tried using those for my coming off h.
ended up in the er via ambulance.. I have zero recollection of.. Then when you wake up feeling like hell in the er.. 99% of the time, treat you like a piece of shit…. So seriously.. I would stay away from doing gabbys.. I am lucky i did not become mentally ruined for life….
Jessica, I hope you got into a treatment center and that you are doing well. I am also an alcoholic. I was sober for over 20 years and just got the idea in a restaurant one night to have a drink. Well it wasn’t long before I was binge drinking which I have been doing for about 8 years. Medical marijuana has been proven to overcome alcoholism. I am approved for it, but in Louisiana we are still waiting for the program to start. In the mean time, I am trying Kratom. I wish you health.
Thank you janice
U should ask ur Dr for gabapetin it works on gabba the reward system in ur brain I was a alcoholic 15 yrs sober 5 yrs now and use Kratom to help with 17 ur opiate addiction.
All I can say is you can do it you got this shit fuck that shit it WILL KILL you! If you keep that up.. good luck! I mean that
Thanks so much jason. I appreciate your encouragement. Thank you everybody.
Is CBD oil legal where you are? If not, it’s probably easy to come by on the net. If you don’t know it’s basically the non psychoactive part of Marijuana.
Your brain had natural receptors for these compounds, which exist nowhere else on earth. CBD is supposed to help with addiction, anxiety, PTSD and even mild pain. It comes in everything from lotions to tinctures to gummy worms. I’d definitely add it to your detox regimen.
I don’t mean to sound like an asshole but Jesus and thoughts and prayers aren’t gonna do shit for you Jess. It’s all you. Talk like that is a crutch for the feeble minded, it’s the real opiate of the masses… always has been.
Thank you sonny. Yes it is and I use cbd every day all day
I don’t know much about Kratom but I will be praying for you. You CAN quit and Jesus WILL help you. Ask the Blessed Mother to pray for you too. God bless
Hello Misty, I am not sure who started saying that dead people like Mary pray, but The Holy Bible says all the dead are resting and that they are done working(praying),
“anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.” (Heb 4:10)
God’s son Jesus is here to confirm to you that this is true. I used to think that the dead were praying and working too, but Jesus showed me that “man must not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.”
So the person who started telling people that Mary prays for us was not in agreement with God’s Word.
Here is another message from God that shows us Mary is resting and not praying, “The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death.”
(Isaiah 57:1-2)
“there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.” ( 1 Tim 2:5)
I don’t judge you, and as a friend shares his gifts, I must share this wisdom that The Lord God has gifted me with. I’ll ask Jesus to show you that this message is His and not mine. See what happens.
Thank you marty
Kratom will help but it wont be like alcohol you only drink one cup of kratom and your done for the night. Start off slow with kratom and like everyone else has said taper off the alcohol. Buy the kratom in bulk if you can to save money you can usually get a 8 oz bag for around 40 dollars which should last at least a few weeks. That much alcohol consumption is concerning but we all know how easy it is to get into a pattern and we’re here to help. Your making the right decision by kicking your habit. You should indeed make a doctors appointment and see what they can do to help. Im addicted to kratom and im going through a taper, the problem with being addicted to something legal is its so tempting to go get your fix as soon as you feel shitty. Just fight that urge and if you do give in, dont give up. I hope this helped and i wish you luck on your journey
Like some of the others have said, seek medical attention when quitting alcohol. I celebrated 1 year of sobriety yesterday because 1 year ago yesterday I was in the hospital after suffering a seizure from alcohol withdrawal. I thought I could do it on my own but after 10 hours without a drink that’s where I ended up! I use kratom not for anxiety which sky rocketed after giving up alcohol, it’s been a godsend!! Good luck and stay strong 💪🏼 😃
Thank you mellisa. I haven’t thought about how I would feel once in recovery…. I will use this information to plan for myself. Thanks bunches
You could look into kava for alcohol withdraw, it’s a powder like kratom, and can be taken in the same way. It does touch on the GABA receptors though, unlike kratom. So it may be better for your particular situation. I have even heard of people using a combination of herbs in small doses to help with acute multi-substance addiction withdraw. Just remember, harm reduction in doses should always come first. Be safe and I wish you the best in your choice to change things in your life.
Thank you jake. I am going to do some research now. I hear about these kava bars around me but never knew what they were
AA, I used to drink like that. Even facing possibility of liver failure I didn’t stop until I was at bottom. Find a meeting. Kratom May make it easier but you need a group.
The problem with aa where I am from is that I know everyone in there. And I know its court ordered…. Very discouraging….
Hi! You could try AA’s on-line chat rooms. I have used them as well as many friends and we find them very helpful 🙂 Good luck and don’t lose HOPE! https://aachats.org/aa-chat-room-alcoholics-anonymous/
Thanks Katy I had no idea they had that as an option!!
I struggled with this too, then Jesus showed me that He says if you confess your sins to Him and forsake your way you will be forgiven. “If by The Holy Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body you will live.”
The Lord says that drunkenness is a sin so just ask Him to help you resist the temptation to get drunk and you can use about 1 teaspoon of kratom to calm the nerves. 1 teaspoon, 3 times a day should be sufficient for you to have help with mood. I will pray for God to help you with the drunkenness.
God said, “no one is righteous, not one, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” All people have been born error prone so that all people will receive mercy. This is certainly true and only God can reveal it, it is not given to those who are wise and prudent but to new born babies. (This is a riddle only disclosed by God’s grace, like everything God says.)
Peace to you and I know my God will help you as He helped me to get away from abuse of alcohol.
Why would you recommend somebody going through withdrawals to take a muscle relaxer like baclofen? It might be a little more mild than Soma’s and flexerils but I would not recommend another possible addictive substance like muscle relaxers as a way to withdrawal of something. I agree with most people you got to wean down and don’t start cold turkey expecting everything to go great. You didn’t become a drug addict in one day so don’t expect to be back to normal either that fast. If your problems opiates and your prescribed them try to wean yourself down again use marijuana if it’s for pain get an Indica strain there are so many different types of marijuana now that you can get what you need without having the quote I feel too anxious when I smoke pot nowadays. The reason for that depending on your age if you are smoking pot in the late 90s the THC content was probably 5 to 10%. Now it’s about 12 to 30%. It’s not your body that changed it’s the strength of the marijuana. So if you have anxiety problems from smoking either switch to indica’s which are more sedating or CBD has no harmful side effects that I’m aware of as well as kratom. Try to stay natural but it’s not going to happen overnight. I wish you the best. I don’t know if they still give people Librium for alcohol withdrawals anymore but if you’re already on a benzo anyway maybe switch from valium or xanax to Librium and kill two birds with one stone. If you can get yourself to where you’re on small amounts of opiates I’m pretty sure you can get off of them with Subutex or Suboxone or zubsolv just taking enough so you’re not sick, don’t take it to get high. If you can get down to that go back to good old-fashioned THC if you’re having anxiety from weed all of a sudden it’s probably because when you smoked it in the late 90s early 2000s it was about 5 to 12% THC now it’s about 15 to 30 so the strength has changed. I’d recommend staying with an indica or indica dominant hybrid. I haven’t heard anything bad about CBD and do your own research on kratom because I haven’t heard anybody talk about yellow kratom yet. But everybody’s different so I always tell people prove me wrong cuz I want people to do their own research. Somebody was saying something about restless leg syndrome which I experienced from being on Seroquel but the marijuana made it to where I never felt that until I was incarcerated and then had no idea why . You’re going to find doctors that will either have no knowledge or a negative opinion about either THC or kratom because they don’t know anything about it. It doesn’t show up in a drug test either so see what works for you as far as strains and amounts. And whatever you do move out of Oregon because they just decriminalized all drugs. Heroin methamphetamine crack everything is not legal but it’s decriminalized so you can’t get in trouble for having it which will make more people use it if they don’t have to worry about going to prison. I have no idea what they’re thinking over there period if anybody lives in Oregon respond to this and tell me what the logic is behind it. In a way I agree because I don’t believe addiction is helped by being incarcerated. I feel addiction should be treated as a medical issue . Any questions feel free to ask and I wish everybody the best a lot.
That is simply awesome. I started my journey 4 days ago. All your suggestions and encouragement help. It is a lonely road. So far so good.
Thank you marty
Tapered from Methadone after using heroin and pills for 6-7 years. Was on 85mg methadone and tapered 2mg per week all the way down to 2mg dose then stopped there. I used extracts to help with the withdrawals when I got down to 10mg. Then continued the extracts for about 6weeks after the final dose. Then stopped the extracts for 3-4 days (Kratom extract withdrawals suck, but nothing compared to opiates, and way shorter). Anyway, now I take plain leaf Kratom to get through the PAWS and that’s going great. Point being, it does work well for withdrawals from opiates, but you have to use high enough doses to take the withdrawals away. I’m sure that varies from person to person based on past usage and what you used/how often. But it works wonders! Didn’t take even a single day off work during the nearly 2 month withdrawal from methadone. No urge to use opiates either.
John, I’m on 10 40-50 msg a day of oxy (prescribed for back surgery permanent pain), I don’t know what that equates to in kratom a day with leafs? Can you help?
John,
I feel your pain and nothing is worse than being looked at as if you’re an opiate addict when all you’re trying to do is LIVE. I have constant wide spread nerve pain that has been prevalent for 20+ years. Kratom has been a life changing factor for me and it’s legal! Order on line instead of paying for pricey packages that you can buy in a store with cash. Red maeng da krarom is so far the closest that I’ve found to the relief that an opiate gives me. Most people start between 2.5 and 5 grams. Your prescription dose is pretty high so I’m not sure. Tricky thing with kratom is you may have to “waste” some finding your correct amount. You don’t want to start with too high of a dose in case it’s too much, and too little will do nothing. When I found mine, rays of light shot from the sky and I was LIVING finally, without opiates and the side effects. I typically start people with a three gram dosage and that works but i haven’t had the opportunity to help someone who was currently on a high dose opiate(like yourself) so I’m just not sure. If you can, take the time and find what best works for you, best of luck,
Des
This was meant for C, not John. Apologies for my misread
I Just love reading comments it helps Tremendously. I was in a horrific Car wreck lost my leg and had 30 surgeries. I Just want ppl to know Kratom does Work. Ive been on Pain Meds Percocet 15 or 10s they are getting REALLY STRICKED for 20 yrs ive been on stupid Pain pills, Ive never been on Herion but im not perfect by far ive done my share of Other Drugs in my Life. I was 29yrs old when a young man hit me head on im 49 yrs old now and IM TIRED OF BEING TIRED CHASING MEDS. IT GETS REALLY OLD. Kratom is something that can help us All if WE want HELP.
Des
I got the kratom capsules green Maenga da they told me to start with 4 capsules. Some people say that’s not enough for withdrawal from the Norco I’ve been taking the past 12yrs. I’m confused on what amounts to take can you or anyone help me with this?????
Hey I’ve been on 90m of oxy a day for 4 years and find 5m of Kratom helps for 6 hours at a time for me. Hope it help good luck 🍀
Hey, John… I too am stopping heroin, after a shit ton of rx opiates …. What kind of kratum do you recommend? & how much? I was .5+ g a day..of really good quality black.. & gogo to get going..8 yrs
I am not sick anymore.. But i have a back pain ( 2 disc are no more & vertebrae fused.. So its not” ghost pains.. Its real….& feel weak as hell… Cant even walk my dog for a decent amount of time.. Which i normally love doing…. I really want to get back to work.. & life..any suggestions are welcome..& i wish everyone good positive outcomes!
No preaching please. “God knows me.. We are good.” J.Carter
Hi first time user here, trying to kick a pill habit, I have brought myself down to 70mg of Percocet a day. I was on suboxone went through horrid withdrawals and recently had surgery. I bought some kratom gold pills from my smoke shop? Idk how many im supposed to take but currently i am in withdrawal. I tried taking 2 and didnt feel shit. I took 3 this morning and then 3 more 2 hours later and still am confused on what its supposed to do? I want to get off pain pills desperately. I was sober from heroin and meth for 6 years! And relapsed on pain meds after having my daughter. Someone please give me some direction?
Hey i hope this helps you a bit. I was also on heroin among other things for a few years, currently clean but I found that capsules never really helped with my withdrawals, especially the more severe beginning days. I found the tea to be a lot more helpful, since you said you take about 70mg a day that’s about where I was before stopping and I used about 5-7 grams of red Bali, red Malay. You can find all different recipes online
Buy the powder. Those pills don’t work. Have to start with Atleast 3-6 grams of powder if you want to reduce WD. Get the powder not the pills. Just toss and wash method (look it up). It’s gross but it’s kept me off pills for years.
Im having withdraws 5 days now how much of the green maeng do i need and i don’t know how 2 the scale 2 weigh it the guy i got it from did.t k iw what 2 get 4 withdraws please i need help
Victoria, start with half a tablespoon and see how you feel, if you can stomach that and you dont feel anything, take another half after about 30-45 mins. You should feel the wd’s lessen, but it can make you a bit nauseated, thats normal. In my opinion, get some red bali or red Borneo, it worked better for my wd’s. However, dont expect to get high like an opioid or opiate, but you should feel like you get warmer cause I was always cold in wd and that stood out the most. Also my stomach settled more and the runs subsided in my case. If you Take too much at a time, you can end up puking so take it slow.
What’s your name,understanding person? Your advice is great! Thanks! I’m an currently finding that powder does work faster at least,and I’ve upped my dose to find what helps as well. I did get the caps but just broke then open and that works too. Don’t want to get hooked on this stuff either so I’m trying not to use a lot, but it does help. Red maeng da is what I’m using, hoping to be free from opiates soon. Don’t know how long I need to do this,any words on that?
I was on 400 mg of oxy long & short acting, doc tried subs, had reactions. Was cold turkey, started Bali and Vietnam low 2 teaspoons helped, we are off fast 3-4 hrs. Tried increasing a bit got shaky. Tried 5 Maeng Da capsules didn’t do much. First we into this still can’t sleep but 2-3 hrs a nite. Any suggestions?
I took 4 every 3 hours and felt nothing. Next day I took six and had pain relief. Not a doctor and I have no idea what the strength of the capsules I got from “health” shop are. Said it was ‘red’ kratom?????
Pretty, I think you’re supposed to take 6 of the gold capsules at a time, you should feel something from that. I just took two, just trying them with a friend, I’m usually just a chill bud smoker. But I think I feel a little with the two…
Hey, I know how you feel. I’ve been through it fairly close to what you have been through. Lol just know I feel ya, I feel ya haha. Lol.. take more of kratom pills. Get red bali or red borneo they are similar but more alkaloids. Take 12-15 pills. It should work but give it like an hour to kick in. Have some food in you. Empty stomache acids will eat some of it up. So have some food in you. A lil potent weed will help also..oh yea, take the pills with grape juice it will help break them down and metabolize faster. I’ve taken 30 of 0.5g pills before. If your coming down from heavy dope or high miligram pills like 30s or opanas. Take at least 15 kratom. Or order the tinctures. They are pricey but it’s better an OC80. Lol
Here’s the best I got, If you’ve been to A.A. or N.A. they will sometimes say things like, “Once an addict, always an addict.” Which on the surface sounds cold but has some truth to it as a scientific fact. Once your brain knows what an intense high is like, it is unlikely to forget, so like a cancer the desire for that state can re-emerge at any time. It is truly life-long struggle, Kratom for me quiets that devil on my shoulder prodding me to do the easy thing and just take the hit of dopamine straight rather than as a reward for positive action by the body and mind. NA didn’t work for me for various reasons (Atheist, no peers in my area, bad impression from their lack of results and seemingly religious bias) but they are right about the fact that desire to solve stressors by going into that state can still be as powerful 10 years after you stop using if the alternative life without is more painful. I’m 35 and have been on and off everything for the better part of 20 years, at some of the worst points I tracked my dosage in micro-grams (if you catch what i’m saying) now I am at least holding a job and not actively betraying the people I care about for a means to get high to forget about how much I’m betraying them. It’s easy to fall into that cycle an be discouraged, but the test of character is not how many times you are knocked down, but how many you stand back up and continue the fight….
I was using 90mg of Percocet for 11 years and used 5g of Kratom 3 times a day to get rid of wd. But went and did a 7 day Ibogaine treatment had almost no wd and been clean ever since. I highly recommend it
Hi, I started using Kratom to get off methadone last summer and it worked great. I use it now for pain and so I can sleep because I have restless leg syndrome possible form being on methadone for 18 years. It’s getting a bit better though. Dont know what I would have done without Kratom it’s saved my life. First, don’t buy the pills from head shops you don’t know what you are getting if it’s cut with anything or how good it is. There are a lot of great places you can buy the powder online. you can then make a tea or put it in caps yourself. I do this because I hate the taste yuk. You can get a capsule machine on Amazon for about 22 bucks and empty gelatin caps for about 7 bucks a bag of 1000 00 sized caps. To buy kratom go to crazy kratom or krabots or kratom spot all online sellers that have good prices and good kratom thats tested for heavy metals and salmonella. To start get some red vein Bali or red vein Borneo ( I prefer the Borneo myself as it seems stronger for pain ) if you use a cap machine to fill them try taking 4 caps to start( if you fill them by hand take 3 as you will fill it more than a machine will). If after an hour you don’t feel better take a few more. If you make a tea start with a teaspoon and work your way up from there, it should only take 30 min for effects. It won’t get you high but should make you feel better. It may make you tired at first but if you have to work during the day you can also get some white vein Borneo power and use it or mix it with the red. I take 4 red and 4 white caps when I get up and use only red at night. There are a lot of good places to read about how it works and what to expect and also dosing. everyone is different so it may take more for you so work yourself up. Oh, take it on an empty stomach! if you get an upset stomach then eat something like yogurt first, something light then you should be fine. Go to reddit and type in kratom and read some of the kratom threads there, there’s a lot of good info on there where you can ask questions. Don’t give up you can do it!
Pretty, a capsule typically holds a half of a gram. 2.5 to 5 grams is typical for a kratom starter, which means 5- 10 capsules at one time. Start small and build to find your dosage. Too much at one time can be terrible. I don’t have any experience with oxy but have been dependent on opiates. Kratom is amazing, good luck to you,
Des
I crabtotally relate! I use one tablespoon of kratom powder per 28oz of juice..preferably mango to divert taste and boost receptors..i was taking120 Percocet and 60 morphine a month. I drink a third off the bottle power dose and it usually lasts 4-6 hours for me. Hope this helps
Pretty don’t give up, I am new to the kratom world, but I am old in the pill world. I was taking morphine & oxy just recently ran out,no more. I started kratom, red maeng da, 3-4 grams. Surprised it helps hang in there !!!
It’s really very complex in this full of activity
life to listen news on TV, so I only use world wide web for that purpose, and take the
most up-to-date information.
I work a super physical job that causes mass amounts of pain. I take 20 grams of various strains every day divided into two doses. 4gs is where I initially began feeling the benefits. So I’d reccomend starting st 4grams and not taking it more than 4 successive days so that you will never need 20 grams a day like me.🤦♂️🤦♂️
Hi what kind of kratom are using and how many hours apart are you taking it in between
I hear that. Been using Green Thai for about three years. Lately I’ve been using about 23 grams, twice a day. I know I need to dial it WAY back down to somewhere in the 6-8 gram, one daily range. Then go to 4 days on—3 days off plan. Otherwise I’m sure I’ll destroy my liver… and other things. I’ve always had a gargantuan tolerance to pretty much any substance though. It’s innate and actually genetic. I’m always telling surgeons about it and they never believe me… until I wake up multiple times during surgeries.
43years clean now, was told years ago, if yoy don’t want to slip stay away from slippery places.
Thank you for your unsolicited advice which is irrelevant to the article. Kind of weird that 12 stepper (I can tell by your tired cliche) with decades clean is trolling a kratom forum. Makes me wonder about the strength of your recovery
Seriously thank you that was very well said lol pricks wuth nothing to do in life other than criticize others.
Kyle I agree with you.. My question is I question his recovery as well if he is on a kratom web page.. Sounds like his looking but wants to criticize others to feel better or justify why he is here as well. Smh
I thought the exact same. I sat in enough rooms to hear the rehearsed line that was typed out.
That’s what I’m talkin about
I tried kratom and it just too unpredictable. Sometimes 1 gram works great with small boost in energy and mood. But other times it doesn’t work at all as if I took nothing. If I increase the dose to 2g it just makes me sleepy or dizzy for few hours.. These different effects happen whether it’s the same strain from same bag, or a different strain and batch, I can’t figure it out. Maybe kratom doesn’t work consistently for some people. I never know what to expect from a dose. It’s frustrating.
I have to take 13 grams of red Bali to have any pain relieving effect.
what type of pain relief do yo u have and what type are you trying?
are you taking it on an empty stomach? if you have food in there it will take a lot longer to work or not work at all. if it upsets your stomacce eat something light like yogurt. It needs to soak into your stomach lining to work and if you have food in there well it won’t work as well. it takes 3 hours to digest food if you have a good working digestion. I take mine an hour before I eat and haven’t had any problems.
Largely depends on what and when you ate that day.
It a lot of time depends when you take it… for an example… take on an empty stomach… but eat soon after or you will get sick… if you take it with food in your stomach, it rarely is noticed. first thing in the morning is always when it hits the best.. just because of the empty stomach…
Okkk, so anyone suffering from withdrawals from medications, suffering from pain, anxiety, depression, etc… i HIGHLY recommend Gold Bali. It is by far my favorite. Its perfectly fine to take daytime or nightime. But if you want an extra energy boost, i take mine with Yellow Vietnam (Which is also amazing!!) It offers energy, but not overwhelmingly, mood boost, pain relief, etc. So the combination of the 2 are absolutely perfect for all my ailments. I also have the Red Borneo. But that one seems to make me sleepy. I dont benefit a lot from it, but i do use it sometimes to make sure my body doesnt become immune to one of my more favorite strains. I was on pain pills for years, then suboxone for years. Now i FINALLY found a natural solution to my issues. Thank god for kratom!!!!!! 💚🤗
Curious on where u got the Gold? I’m new to the kratom thing. But so far it has helped me alot with a he’s n pain from work with taking other meds. N my head is very clear. Hardly any aniexty at all.
I want to start on kratom but I’m so clueless. I’m currently on suboxone and wanting to get off of it. Could you please reccomend what to try first and how much? & where to buy from?
You will have to find the right strain that works for you. If you use it for pain I highly recommend using reds. Some good strains are Red Maenge da and red Sumatra. Each strain is different you may react really good to one and another could give you a bit of a headache so start off small. If you can try to find different strains that will work well for you and switch them up each time you use it. For example have green one day. Then red, then a white, then a different type of red or whatever. I’d recommend you find 4 or 5 different strains to alternate. Some good ones are green Jong Kong and white Jong Kong both from lifeforcek . You can find red maenge da by looking up “herbal-salvation red maenge da” otherwise its difficult to find on the website. You might also find kratom on various coffee shop websites because it’s related to the coffee plant.
If you haven’t come across it already, go one Reddit to the KratomEducation and Kratom communities. There is a ton of fantastic info on dosage, frequency, etc. that I have not been able to find anywhere else.Plus, the people on there are super helpful. Just make sure you read the rules before posting questions publicly. Hope this helps!
hi Ashley or anyone that can help, I have been on tramadol for 10 plus years for pain in shoulder {tear , ect} I want to get off completely but cant figure out what the best kratom to take for pain and the best for energy????? been taking kratom for 2 years and love it, please help? I have no energy at all lately. thankyou
Hi Ashley. I really would like to get more info from you as I am starting this to assist with withdrawals from opiods. (Prescribed)
Is there a way we can chat?
Same here! I just tried Kratom for the first time today. How much do you recommend taking? Do you take it every day? Trying to get off subs but don’t want to become dependent on Kratom as a result..
Hey went from drinking as teen to pills as teen then methode and now on subs 3 aday just bought kratom green Malay 500 mg caps I took two and nothing so five hours later took four what should I be taken
So I have 3 yrs clean off of meth, alcohol heroin ECT… Except
I newly discovered kratom which I can say has really helped with my anxiety and mood, my question is if I take this stuff for prolonged amount of time am I going to experience withdrawl its been about a month and I go one day on obe day off, I also work at a rehab, and I keep thinking do I need to change my clean date cause ive used this, is my integrity at risk, ive been battling this within cause it truly has helped with my mood and anxiety its crazy but I am also terrified to be dependent on any drug. Ive been taking 6 capsules a every other day around 4:00 pm.
Kratom does not show up on a drug screen unless they are specifically looking for Kratom alkaloids, so if your drug screen does not involve Kratom don’t worry it won’t show up as a positive for opiate catagory, the amount you are taking is very low and if it is helping continue to use it in the same manner, as for taking it for a long time, anything you take for a long time will cause dependence, but Kratom in the amount you use is highly unlikely, or better to say you will most likely not have any severe withdrawals symptoms. I been taking it for over a year now, and I take about 30 grams a day spread into 7.5 grams in AM, Lunch and PM. Hope this heplped.
I started low but my tolerance is built up so much I’m taking 12 to 15 grams each dose and about 5 doses in a 24 hour period.
Just take a day or 2 break with no kratom.
Sometimes a break helps with a tolerance.
I’ve been on kratom for over 3 years and over the years a break does help.
I sell it and use it,I swear by it .
Good luck
I’m still on a moderately low dose & take long breaks in consuming, as well as change up the strains constantly. However I’ve noticed less effectiveness lately with every strain I use. It could be just that it’s time to raise my dosage, but I’m also thinking another change is good to try sometimes & I’m looking to do that. All I have comes from one supplier. I brought it up to them (seller) & their honest answer as well as great prices is why I’ve remained a loyal customer. Anyways their answer was that it’s also a good idea to switch suppliers once in awhile. So I’m currently looking for another source to buy & try from. While I think there are great stores on line. I’ve found better prices with same great quality via independent people or smaller business’s. I’m in a legal U.S.state, so there would be no issues. So I’d really appreciate in hearing from you or anyone else on here that can help or suggest. Can reply for privacy via em: veleef @ yahoo
It actually does show up as suboxone I was in the hospital I told them I’d smoked weed and took kratom haven’t touch suboxone in years so be careful
I think something else must have happened, because although they have a similar effect on the brain, their chemical structures are completely different. Tests for Kratom had to be developed specifically for this reason. Odds are that something else tainted your results or you had residual Suboxone in your body. In very rare cases, chemicals can fail to completely clear from the body and you can pop a positive years after your last dose. I’m only posting this because I don’t want people to be scared off of Kratom when they don’t need to be.
Subs can stay in your body. It had to be that. Kratom and Suboxone are not remotely close in a chemical sense. Kratom would not ever show in a drug test unless they specifically test for Kratom alkaloids.
With that low of a dose only every other day you should be okay. In my opinion kratom does not mean you aren’t sober but this is subjective. I would say it’s not the same as relapsing with hard drugs at all. I think of it like caffeine, caffeine’s addictive and a drug but nobody would consider a cup of coffee a relapse. If you take kratom a lot you can experience slight withdrawal but having an off day like you do should make it so you don’t.
Congrats on being clean! Kratom helped me SO much also.
When I first read an article about Kratom it was being used in medical facilities to help with withdrawal symptoms. I started using Kratom as a substitute for my pain meds because I did not want to be addicted but have to take meds due to bulging discs in my neck and as a result I have partial tears in both of my rotator cuffs. Doctors are being so hard pressed with the opioid issue so I am allowed 3 a day. I do however feel the effects of red vein Maeng da and gold Bali kratom. Only sometimes though. It is a sleepy feeling or a medicated feeling. Either way I love both of them because I am able to substitute and don’t always have to take my pain meds everyday.
Hello Ashley,
Based on my extensive research into kratom and your past history with drug abuse I highly recommend you not use kratom. Kratom does have addiction potential. Kratom use can/will lead to dependance, tolerance and withdrawal if you stop using.
I’ve been clean for 6 months and applaud your desire to stay clean and not be dependent on anything. With this being your goal kratom isn’t for you.
My personal opinion formed in part by scientific research is that the comparison of kratom to coffee is a gross and dangerous comparison (I don’t think Britt or Goose wish any ill will of course! this is my opinion only)
Hey there, just read your comment and I had to reply! 🙂
Don’t at all feel bad or guilty for taking kratom being a recovered addict! I am also 16 years clean and sober and I’ve been using kratom past 2 years!
The thing is this kratom is NOT IS NOT an opioid!!
The chemicals within kratom attach on the receptors in the same way but do not effect them in same way say as “regular” narcotics, the addiction/ withdrawal or the respitory aspects of narcotics!!
So NO you 100% keep your clean date and I would say to completely continue with your regimen of kratom! From what we’ve come from doing to taking a natural supplement is in no way the same!!
And don’t believe any of the bs articles of it being an opioid!! If you do some searches on line or go to kratom sites you will understand the exact terminology and explanation behind it!!! It took me some time but once you start learning the “real” facts about the plant, you’ll be absolutely shocked as to realize how bad the FDA wants to ban it for the simple reason of not making money off it and it actually becoming a natural “healer for all ailments”!!!
Congrats on your sobriety and keep it up.. it’s not easy some days but know that you have others that r cheering ya on!!!
Have a good one
Erica
Bro ,firstly bravo on your sobriety! Secondly, I would hardly say switching your clean date is necessary..You’re taking a God given herb for anxiety. It’s far than horrible anti-anxiety meds. Don’t get down on yourself.
Hello Everyone
I just started Kratom about a month ago. I was on oxcys for 2 years then suboxone for 10 years . I quit cold turkey from all that shit. It was a battle but got through it. Im taking kratom 2 tea spoons a day. I have the true kratom meng da brand. Feeling better from depression and mood. Thing is Im haveing a hard time staying asleep. I get 6 hours in then im up. What can I take to stay asleep. Thank You
Hi John, if that is your real name. Ha just kidding. Ok, yes I have been on celexa for about 8 years now. I have been on and off several different antidepressants and anxiety meds for the past 24 years. Celexa has been the only one that truly helped me be me. I can honestly say no side effects except for a bit of weight gain due to water retention but that is only at the top does of 40mg. Also, I am a woman age 47 so you probably won’t have this problem. I also take kradom. Only about 4mg a day around 2:00 pm. I do take it almost everyday. I have been on it for almost 2 months now. I am a master at noticing any small change in me, body, mind and soul and I can say I have not had any bad reaction with the two. Side note, the kradom, I take for many reasons, the celexa helps with cronic pain, anxiety and depression but I also have other health issues that kradom takes up the slack for. Kradom also got me through withdraws from taking my celexa dose from 40 to 20 mg. I am a mom of 5 boys so I do have to throw this in there. Everyone is different. Everyone will have different experiences and effects so take it slow and if you are on celexa take it everyday same time as close as you can to the same time anyway. Remember kratom and celexa won’t “fix” anything on their own. They are tools so you can do things. Like a hammer won’t wack a nail in on its own but, put it in a persons hand and that nail will go right in with effort. Good luck.
John I have taken Kratom for 8 yrs. I take the MD’s in am and noon and Red Bali at night for sedation. I take 1.5 tbl spoons for sleep. But I have never slept more than 5-6 hrs at a time for over 20 yrs. But Red’s get me to sleep. I also mix red with green md if in pain during day.
Hi john ive been on demerol and percocet for sevral back issues to top it of these docs now a days just want to keep pushing different meds ok percs as needed in P.R u get demorol shots i spenx 17 years in P.R ..i got back to yje states using percocet before i knew it i was under gabapentin zoloft omerezol hydroxazin for sleep i went off gabapentin and omfg i got withdrawals like a heroin user now i cut everything and olny take kratom for sleep i take 4 meletonen 10 mg and withing 30 min im out and am able to stay asleep and also wake up at 5 or 6 am on early shifts …TRY MELETONEN START WITH 10 MG IF THAT DONT WORK JUST WORK UP THE DOSAGE OH AND WHEN IM REALLY ANXIOUS I DRINK A LAVANDA TEA JUST THE SMELL OF TE TEA AS THE BAG GOES IN THE WATER IS SOTHING HOPE THIS WORKS GOD BLESS
You should absolutely not be taking that much melatonin
Qfreed! I was taking truple melatonin for years recently got off it and omg the sude effects were horrible and I was pinning it in other stuff!
Do u know that ur brain naturally produces melatonin. Not to put what u say down but look it up. It’s impossible to withdraw from melatonin. U can look it up urself. Just go to google and ask google can u withdraw from melatonin and read. Read all u can about the supplement. It’s a naturally produced hormone in ur body u r never without it without or without the supplement. Therefore u can’t withdraw off something that is still in body. U body produces it constantly in ur brain. Just do it, read about it urself. And find out what I’m saying.. I’m sorry to say but somehow u must have gotten ahold of something else or it was some bad batches.. I do apologize not busting ur hump just educated u on what I believe u could’ve already known if u researched it back then.. God bless
You should always take Melatonin on an empty stomach. I take one in the morning and one at night. That is all you need. If you feel drowsy, just take it at night. I take it with a small amount of a sugary drink such as Apple Juice, Grape juice, orange, Etc. I just feel it works better with a little sugar. Take turmeric with or before your Kratum vitamin D, magnesium, krill oil/eat fish, Probiotics and fiber. Eat clean no grease. Take a nap everyday. 5-15 minutes. If you cannot take a nap, just find a quiet spot and close your eyes. Do not sleep for more than 15 minutes or you shall be groggy. Finally, GET SOME EXERCISE. REMEMBER, YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
Hey buddy. I have found myself in a very similar situation. I use a small amount of valerian root during the day for anxiety and a heavier dose at night for sedation. It’s not always easy to fall asleep but when I do typically I’ll sleep a solid 7 hours. Also began brewing my own teas. You can find the herbs in bulk at a lot of different grocery stores.
My insomnia blend:
Chamomile
Lavender flower
Passion flower
Skullcap
Lemon Balm
Kava
These are fantastic brewed together. Passion flower and skullcap have a grassy/weedy taste so I would go a little lighter on those but have fun with it. Brewing is also a fantastic evening routine. Drink 1-2 hours before bed. Avoid brewing valerian – it tastes like the smell of a horse… lol
Try kava
I have been an addict since age 5. No, seriously my parents put me on Ritalin. By age 15 when I took meth for the first time I thought o, ok this is just like my meds. By age 18 I was sprung on heroin. I also have done Suboxone. Sleep is always the last thing to come. But I learned if you listen to scripture being spoken it knocks you out. I got through withdrawals more times than I can count from being incarcerated and just trying to quit on my own I’m finally been clean now for a year and a half and I did it through the power of Jesus. And when is the worst and I couldn’t sleep during detox I would just say the name of Jesus over and over and over again and I get to sleep. There are also these things call binaural beats. Those seem to help a lot. if you haven’t come to know the Lord now would be a great time all you have to do is believe that Jesus died and rose again on the third day. Ask for forgiveness of your sins and repent of your sins. no one disputes whether Jesus was a man that walked this Earth everyone knows that our timeline States it before Christ after death. People just dispute his Divine qualities.if you can come to terms with the fact that he was sent by God in was God then you can believe in him then you can be free from sin.
Omg…. really? Come on now…
Isn’t this a Kratom site? I believe in a Higher Power, but really?
Does anyone know about liquid kratom
Christopher, Thank you for telling others what will truly help them!!! I agree!!