Dosage Conversion Chart
Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.
When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.
Average Powdered Leaf
| Measurement | Ounces |
|---|---|
| 1 gram | 0.035 ounces |
| 50 grams | 1.75 ounces |
| 100 grams | 3.5 ounces |
Crushed Leaf
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 2.7 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 0.9 grams |
| 000 Capsule | 0.70 – 1 gram |
Bali Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 6.2 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.3 grams |
| 000 Capsule | 0.75 – 1 gram |
Maeng Da Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 7 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.6 grams |
Green Malay Powder
| Measurement | Grams |
|---|---|
| 1 Tablespoon | 6.9 grams |
| 1 Teaspoon | 2.4 grams |
Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)
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| Extract | 00 Capsule Dosage | Equivalent Powdered Leaf |
|---|---|---|
| Gold Reserve Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 7-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| ISOL-8 Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-7 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
| Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule | 1 cap = approx .5 gram | 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf |
I currently am on 115 mg of methadone and my gf is on 45 mg we took meng da yesterday and it put us in total withdrawal like we both felt like we were dieing from withdrawl is there a reason why? Can you not take kratom with methadone?
I was on 120mg of methadone for years. You have to start dropping 10mg a week. You shouldn’t start feeling ill until your down at 50. I then waited until I was in withdrawal for over 24 hrs and then began suboxone. I then decreased the subs by half and then quarters and then began kratum. To jump of methadone at 115 isn’t recommended at all. I escaped the wrath of withdrawal this way and I was a hard core IV heroin addict in NYC for decades.
I know this is old but sending good vibes and Hope you’re still doin good and hanging in there!
Hello. First, a few disturbing things I’ve read. Opiate withdrawl can kill you!! I kicked 180mg methadone, and 20 years of benzos. In jail. It can kill you!!!! I lived through that. I’m about to try to stop 16mg of subutex. What’s the best krantom for withdrawl from opiates??? Thank you.
I have a lot of experience with benzodiazepines, opiate use, methadone, subutex. If you have any questions I’ll try to help.
I used Bali and Maeng Da for w/ds at starting at 7g first day, every day after I used 5-6g doses every 4-5 hours and then down to every 8 hours after a few days. Now just 5gs when I wake up. I just found a taper recipe on Reddit and followed that
Ryan I have been taking Kratom daily for exactly 2 yrs now and I’m 38yrs old. I was previously addicted to pain pills and that was for 11 yrs up until August of 2017. Now also I was a heavy hitter and I had taken just methadone for the last 5 yrs of my addiction witch between going to the clinics And my plugs I was taking 200 mg A day some days I can remember taking 290 mugs and I couldn’t even think about any type of work. Getting up out of bed socializing etc without it. I can’t stress how bad I hurt when out etc. I’m a millwright and I’ve worked hard and out in the weather etc most of my entire life and I’m about 5ft 11 and was about 260lbs when I stopped. Now I want you to understand that’ theirs only 1 of you in the world and you know like your girlfriend knows what you ger out of the pills. HighEuphoric,Socialism,Work,happier,and of course pain relief. Now for me I was introduced to the Kratom by another former addict just in conversation one day and I had done lost my entire life, family, great jobs, friends, material things, credit, freedom,self pride, I mean no care at this point. Knowing I had Overdosed twice in the past 2 months I had to research it and man I was in a ride brother I had no idea of. I mean that I’m from a smaller town that didn’t have it hardly at all and nobody around knew what I was searching for and so I started researching all I could and to be honest with you their was a few times I only continued to do it instead of relapsing because I was legal and I could work and I could carry it on me and I didn’t have the withdrawals half as bad and I could also generally go to any city for work and pick it up in a local smoke shop etc. okay so now what you have had happen to me sounds like your body is screaming like a baby for that methadone and also your body’s like what in the hell is this shit you just put in me, I’ve read several times that people may get headaches real bad and nausea etc when they first start taking it because their body’s trying to adjust and does soon but for me I didn’t have any of those things happen. So fast forward to today currremtly I have 200% guarantee in that if you are taking methadone and 130mg a day your definitely going the right way and it’s 70% easier to walk away and not want them not think about them dream about them etc. I was on suboxone and subotec Xanax also and nothing phased my craving until the Kratom. I would Highly and this is my lots of purchasing and 2 yrs of taking it, that would recommend Green maengda when you get up or back up green Maley that’s something your in 15 mins of taking can be getting shoes on brushing teeth talking etc feeling normal and if your late rushed etc for something after you’ve taken Kratom only for maybe 1 to 2 months you’r body’s gonna be so much more back to normal that you can go a day if you had no choice and not miss work or if it’s a couple hours after you got up your gonna be okay though, now I personally take Kratom 2 times a day but I’ve got several friends I’ve introduced to that may fake it 4 times a day but the difference is a serving may be 2 to 8 grms if if it’s a crushed leaf Kratom but I take powder it’s the freshest I can get and it’s the strongest feel good and energetic Kratom offered because it’s dried the shortest amount of time and so I will take a huge serving of 10 grms personally in the morning but that’s it for the next 12 hrs atleast and my friends may take 3 grms 3 times throughout that 12 hrs so everyone is different now also the green maengda is a powder so a serving of powder green maengda is probably 7 grms normally any way compared to maybe 3 grms of it crushed leaf so know wht your buying . I personally now buy in kilos and I have about 4 streins I like so I have several pounds of it all together witch if it’s took a lot it’s a lot cheaper and it’s definitely fresher that way 95% of the time. Now if your trying to just get pain relief and feel the euphoria and your not caring about anything else right now then you need The Classic well known Red Bali for certain its the strongest pain reliever & best feeling in the world the longer you take it and nor methadone the more it’s gonna continue to feel more and more completely opposite of pain. I take that as my 2nd dosage in the evenings after the shower etc and the entire evening is great and I have an appetite but I don’t over eat like I did with methadone or etc I was a consistent weight until I started pain meds and definitely after I went from Roxie’s to methadone it increased from 175 to 289 now I’m 180 again and I honesty never ever even think about a pill or if I’m around any I could have 2000$ in my pocket and I want even consist buying one etc. it’s saved my life I’m certain of it. Now I’m sure theirs all kinds of opinions and whatever but maybe you both can have the best success and you both have your life that’s yours back and remember that’s a leaf off a tree it’s not made in a lab or some pharmaceutical company. The chemicals aren’t their to control those receptors as strongly. I hope this way over lengthen comment is helpful to y’all and anybody else that it can. God bless y’all and keep ya head up it’s not easy but your not alone and together we stand my friend. Take care from Ga David W.
Thanks for your words and Gid bless!
The benzo withdrawl will kill you. You will not die from opiate withdrawl. The only substamces that yoi can die from the withdrawl are alcohol and benzos.
You can die from opiate withdrawls. Have you ever heard of this thing called heroin? People die from withdrawls all the time from opiates.
YOU CANNOT DIE FROM OPIATE WD
Yes u can complications of wd.. dehydration duhhh
No you cannot die from opiate withdrawal if it is a poppy derivative(morphine, herion, codeine, oxy).The only opioid withdrawal that can possibly be fatal is from synthetic opioids(fentanyl, methadone, tramadol, demerol, etc.) The reason synthetics can be fatal during withdrawal is due to the fact they are also ssri’s and can cause fatal seziures. Opium poppy based opiates do not have this action as they only act on the regular opioid receptors and will not cause death during withdrawal.
That is false you can verify this yourself there have only ever been a few recorded deaths from opiate withdrawal you’re confusing withdrawal with overdose. Only alcohol benzo and barbiturates can kill you from withdrawal. That is not my opinion that is a verifiable fact.
WRONG!! HOLY shit are you high??? Do NOT tell people this it’s absolutely untrue!!! Shame.on you
The most likely way for opioid withdrawal to be lethal is aspiration of vomitus. Alcohol and benzodiazepine withdrawal can kill by overly abrupt and prolonged down-regulation of the GABA chloride channel, resulting in possibilities of delirium tremens, petit and grand mal seizures, and in some instances death. A person who is attempting to discontinue severe over-habituation to alcohol and or benzodiazepines should not do so abruptly, and few such habituated persons have the necessary self-discipline to taper off on theit own, and few individuals have the vigilance capacity or the knowledge and ability to continually monitor the person withdrawing, and to recognize when to administer what. In addition, alcohol withdrawal is almost invariably accompanied by severe dehydration, the most direct means of addressing which is administration of ‘normal saline’ (.9% salt, i.e. 9 mg/gm NaCl) water, the reactions to which themselves must be monitored. It is not safe to attempt outside a clinical setting staffed round the clock by alert and competent medical professionals, and even in such a setting it’s more dangerous than opioid withdrawal.
Opioid withdrawal cannot kill you . That is Fact you might Fucking wish you were dead “but no friend you are mistaken As said previously only synthetic forms of H will or could withdrawal become fatal. Aswell for Alcohol and any Benzos . Fentynal is not the same as heroin and I assume ur probably or were a fent user which withdrawal from fent can be deadly and best not trying to kickit cold turkey . I’m interested in the Kratom for tapering off Fent what kind would work best and can it really work for the withdrawal like insomnia sickness restlessness etc and does it make you feel euphoric ? Any help would be great thanks
Ive been snorting fentanyl for over a year and I have managed to keep working while on it. However, I have overdosed twive from a bad batch. I live in a border city with mexico. I have been trying to quit, but find the withdrawls almost impossible to go through since it is cheap and easy to obtain for me. I’m 27 married and have three young children and feel like i have been absent this whole year. It seems like a blur and it has changed who I am so much that I feel my wife getting fed up with my addiction. In the very few hours of the day im not completely high I catch a glimpse of what my life has become and I actually cry at how helpless and powerless this drug has made me. In my late teens I was able to kick black no problem, but fentanyl is a whole different beast. I read on the internet and the timeline is not accurate for me. I get the wd symptoms as little as 3 hoirs after my last hit. By hour 5-8 After sleep Im in full sweats with shakes runny nose sneezing watery eyes. I dont want to get on methadone since that just doesnt make any sense to me that theyre gonna start me off low but get me back up???? I am more open to subuxone but if kratom works I want to get the dosing and best strain for me right. I tried kratom a few months back took about 6gs or 12 capsules and honestly felt nothing was still very sick and just used again.
You can die from opiate withdrawl. Usually heroin.
I meant to say fentanyl , not heroin. My bad
Omg this is painful. Any serious withdrawals can kill you. It’s more based on the health of the person withdrawing. I know this because I am retired from the medical field.
Example, a heart patient like myself could die without monitoring.
I just kicked suboxone myself . Literally just did. Still haven’t made it out the storm yet a month and half later … took subs 4 +years recreationally and then 6 years prescribed by a doctor so about 10 years most the time 2-8/2mg strips a day.. 16mgs a day average for a decade .. I thought I was battling satan himself
For the first 2-3weeks … indescribable pain :/ sry man.. but kratom. Yea brother if not for the kratom it would have been too much to bear . The RED and GOLD strains first will do best to get through the worst part .. then I have switched to a white or green and for help with lack of energy now as they are more energetic and the red /gold being sedative and stronger … thing is for me. And guessing for you from the sound of your history I’m a big dude and have built a hell of a tolerance through my many wise decisions, so you have to take a lot .. 10-20 capsules was average for me . But good luck man. Definitely get the kratom. It isn’t some “superfood fad” like all the other herbal shit. It works !
Hi my name is tj I took opioids for 3 years I took 18 10s of hydro codeine daily I tryed to get off them for weeks tryed every trick in the book and nothing and I mean nothing helped me so I started Kratom I went threw 3 different kinds until I found one white tie let me tell you I dropped opioids in a day I take 15 capsules every 4 hours and it’s like I feel so much better the only prob I have is when I go to bed at night it’s hard for me to wake up in the morning but I swear on this stuff IT WORKS I didn’t have any withdrawals and I’m 101 days clean today I can piss in any drug test their is and it will be clean
That’s wrong. Opiate withdrawal cannot kill you. I went to jail numerous times with large dose opiate/ heroin/ methadone addictions. Most jails give you NOTHING and leave you to cold turkey. Benzo withdrawal can kill you but not opiates. In jail they have to give you your benzos if your prescribed them. If not they’ll give you a valium or atavan detox for a few days to prevent seizures. Not so with opiates. Believe me when I tell you. I kicked cold enough times to know. You feel like your going to die but you won’t.
Not sure what state you live in but I live in Michigan and have been prescribed Xanax for years. Before I went to jail I made sure I had the exact number in the bottle not one too many not one too short. It didn’t matter they told me the doctor wasn’t in and the nurse couldn’t give it to me so I sat in my room AKA jail cell feeling all weird and they never gave it to me. They never gave me any benzo to help calm down. I think the doctor came in two weeks after I had been there and all of a sudden at night time they gave me a capsule and said I should have been taking this the whole time I refuse to take it until I knew what it was. One of the seals came down and told me it’s a s***** policy we have because I’m on Xanax as well and I don’t think they should just pull you off of them so I asked him what the capsule was they were giving me and he said it was to slow down my blood pressure and help me sleep. so instead of giving me a benzo for anxiety they chose to give me a to lower my blood pressure. I watched one guy in there have a seizure because of it and their policy is not to take people to a hospital because there’s nothing they can do for them there.
I have withdrawn from methadone which is horrible,but trying to get off Benzodiazepines is really scary ,as of now I’m down or should I say back to 1mg a day.Do you have any suggestions for the safest and best way to completely stop the Xanax.
Jason, I’m at 50 mg of methadone. I’ve been on it 13 years and was once upon a time up to 111 mg but not in a very long time. Been steady at 50 for couple years. I’m going to jump off of 50 with kratom. I also got some klonipin, gabapentin, chamomile tea, multivitamin, vitamin C , magnesium, Imodium AD and plenty of bottled water to help with the w/d. I’m getting my house cleaned and laundry all caught up so I can lay around comfortably. . . as comfortable as possible anyway. I’m about to go buy my kratom now. Someone please tell me this can be done….that it’s not a bad idea. Also I don’t know how much kratom to start dosing with after 50 mg of methsteadone. I have 3 more days at clinic. Should I go ahead and start kratom or wait until I’m feeling the w/d from methadone, like 24+ hrs after last methadone dose?
I hope you were successful!
Definitely can be done because I was at 40 mg methadone per day plus oxycodone 10s as needed. I felt almost no withdrawal at all! You’re just going to be Slightly irritable, but no actual withdrawal if you’re taking strong enough stuff. I used white But I hear red is better. and of course the taste is awful. Just make sure you are gulping down a big spoonful before you start getting too deep into withdrawal, because once you’re withdrawing the nausea makes it harder to swallow. I went a week taking lots of kratos every day but then stopped the kratom after about a week to avoid having my brain get used to the kratos. No withdrawal! If it doesn’t work for you take more powder. Stick to the red kind and try a concentrate if you’re rich enough. If not just choke it down or make your own kratom concentrate with vodka and citric acid and ph strips.
How strong are 30 capsules in the complete kratom package (pure maeng da kratom)? It says to take 5 but I want to know how much I’m taking
This is still Nicole my husband’s bag has the milligrams wrote on his mind is a different brand n doesn’t have the milligrams on it. Can someone please help me out.
Ok you’ve 95% got regular caps like I mentioned yesterday witch are half a gram and even if they are 1 g your still going to be ok as long as your not taking 20 or so at a time. But I know that’s not good enough to guess if you have any local smoke shops, Vape shops you can just go in their and look at some other brands they have and see what their packages say and comparing yours to it. Or buy a 10$ cheap scale from their and weigh one out and plus if you’r going to try and continue on with this I promise you that you will use some scales a lot I’ve actually buy purchasing scales and weighing out my dosages I have in turn not even planning on it,I’ve cut way back. I would get 2 tablespoons and take it and of course it’s not gonna be nothing close to correct because my table spoon may have been 2 grams heavier etc inturn costing more taking more etc. I hope you don’t worry so much about it because it’s a serious thing to know for your health but you can easily find out. I know if you want to email me I may can help you more contacting me directly as theirs other options you can do if needed from home also. Good luck and I hope you and your husband all the best
On the average, 2 caps are 1mg. To be sure just dump them into a tea spoon which is about 1mg
I mean 1 teaspoon is 1 gram or 2 caps
Each capsule usually has about .5 to .6 of powder inside it depends on the person that is filling them and how tight they pack them. Start with 5 that should be around 2 and a half pushing 3 grams for your first time then gradually go up till you find what is called your sweet spot. I’ve been taking different types of kratom for 3 years or more now and the one thing I learned is that if you go over your limit by even a gram you WILL be sick as shit when you feel dizzy or like you wanna throw up get a drink and lay down usually I will lay down or sit for the first hour to let it take effect and I dont get sick hope this helps yall out
A capsule is usually 1 gram each.
No..
A capusle is a HALF gram. maybe a tiny less or more but definitely not a gram. Like .4-.6 of a gram
Nicole it’s all according to what size it’ is. Most Kratom capsules in any state or online are about the same and if it looks like a normal size capsule it’s probably .5grms or half gram caps. Their is like 1g capsules for Kratom but their defiantly noticeable bigger than norm. You could also if you’r like at home wanting to find out what you’ve already got you could take one apart and weigh the Kratom on some scales if u have any or if you can’t do that look through your meds maybe some antibiotics etc and find a capsule the Sam’s size and then google what size that particular antibiotic is possibly. And for the dosage I take only powder because I don’t like taking so many capsules and having to put my body through all of that work breaking them down also they don’t effect you near as quick or never as hard. I’d say 15 mins with green Maengda for morning feel good and get going etc and if needed 2 or so more times through out the day but in the evening I’d take red Bali to feel the best of all but not so Much moving Around and I know those packages say 4 or 5 but I’ve taken 30 to 40 2 times a day for months sometimes but like I said if was all learning curves and I buy kilos online or call and order and it’s so cheap and will save you so much money and stress of running back and forth I mama you can easily spend 25$ on 60 ct capsules and it may get 1 to 2 ounces in that package of 60 for 110$ & I’ve seen several times just this week 90$ a kilo 2.2 lbs 35 ounces. So a huge difference in price. Imagine when I took 30 at a time twice a day that’s 25$ a day in capsules now I don’t take near that any more but if I did I mean 100$ A kilo 35 ounces that would last me 35 days alreast huge difference. Your size and tolerance and length you’ve been taking Kratom and if your coming off of something and how long that’s been. etc that all effects it. If you haven’t yet I would recommend at most fresh new day haven’t taken anything in 12 hrs + I’d try 6 no more than 10 and you may go up In time or down. I’ve had girlfriends that took it and would enjoy it at the 6 dosage. I was taking 10 a day immediately when I discovered Kratom and up to 20 a day maybe a month later but I’ve in 2 yrs of taking if don’t have no really need of anything but I take some daily and it’s not gotta have thing just helps and I like it so. Hope the best for you and maybe this will help somehow.
I am trying to get off pain meds but my tolerance and pain is so bad. Kratom helps with the withdrawal symptoms But I’m getting no relief with pain. I’m taking red Bali and I’m up to like 10-12 grams at a time and nothing. Anyone know the highest amount you can take without getting sick?
Red Bali are similar to relief effects of Xanax. I would suggest Maeng Da for pain med relief it is very similar and helps alot
Does that include all benzos?
Try different brands and different strains. Everyone is so different that u just don’t know till u try. Maybe the brand your using isn’t a good brand?
Take 1 and a half tablespoons of white vein maeng da kratom should do the trick for pain tha bali is mainly for sleeping
If you try Kratom your hair will start thinning!!!
Are you taking white or red Kratom?
I all ready lost a lot of hair from the Prednisone I use to take?
Thank you to Renee or anyone who knows about hair loss with Kratom.
Long term use of Kratom can cause some people hair loss. Just trying Kratom does not cause hair loss. It depends on the person, the amount of Kratom used, and length of using Kratom that determines if someone will experience hair loss.
Don’t spread BS here please. That’s completely ridiculous, untrue and you’re trolling. Please stop.
I have to speak up here. If anyone is saying that Kratom is anything like a benzo they are telling you bad info.
I am withdrawing off Benzo’s and have been sick with side effects for a few years. I have PTSD, depression, anxiety… etc. I don’t know anything about Kraton but at this point I’m willing to try anything to feel better. I’ve lost my job, my motivation to go life, lost the light in my eyes. Please help.
Red Bali kratom will help
If you are withdrawing bad take at least one table spoon of Red Bali powder..or a tablespoon and a half..an ounce will costbusually around 15$..it will take the edge off severly
stay strong, stick to red strains like Bali, Red Horn, Borneo, and Bentanguie…these are the most relaxing; green Malay is good too…avoid whites! this may be too stimulating and cause anxiety; mix about 3-5 grams with OJ or choc milk & chug, otherwise it will taste very bitter & nasty. rotate the strains you take throughout the day for best effect and tolerance avoidance. I know a lot about this stuff & researched it for over a year before trying it…so glad I did! great for my fibromyalgia pain & anxiety. I majored in organic chemistry in university & understand the science behind this wonder plant very well. feel free to contact me via twitter.com/leafsman
I have capsules 750 mg how many a day should I be taking for pain relief ? Thank you
I take 12 to 15 every three to five hours as needed
You say it has done wonders for your fibro. I, too, have fibro and would like some relief from the pain. I’m currently taking hydromorphone but would prefer not to have to resort to opioids. I have ordered some what they call relief blend which is a blend of red Borneo, red Bali and gold Bali. I also ordered some red Bali by itself and some white Hulu to try. Along with fibro I also suffer from AHD and sleep apnea so I’m usually quite dozie during the day hence the white to try. I just don’t know where to start for dosages. What do you suggest?
I thought and read that all white veins where for energy and mood Not for pain.. everything i have read is Red veins are for pain relief? do you use a measuring spoon? i have been takin 1 level measuring spoon 3 x a day… using about 6 hours.. It helps but Iam still in some pain… I thought i was probably takin more than most do… another thing has happened I had a routing check with labs last week and they said every looked good… but my Magnesium levels were high… and refereed me to my primary care doctor to follow up… takin kratom is the only thing that has changed since my last labs 6 months ago… anyone have any labs abnormal ?
Red vein or red Maeng da is best for withdrawal.
6 capsules at a time, every 4-5 hours, depending on your own body.
Well damn I took 4 4 and 1/2 hrs ago guess it’s time for more?
Best strain for anxiety and withdrawals I’ve found to be Red. Either Maeng da or simply Red Vein. @4grams per dose which is roughly a heaping teaspoon of powder or 6-7 capsules.
How’re you doing? Did you taper down your dose before stopping?
Sounds more like you’re coming off opiates. Benzos don’t have anywhere NEAR that long of a withdrawals whereas opiates/opioids can have symptoms months and even a year later depending on the dosage and drug you were on. Like methadone for instance. 150mg a day can have symptoms over a year later still hence the VERY VERY slow taper needed. I was on 80mg/day for a year and the taper was a year and a half at 5mg drop once a month or so…something like that. Benzos can easily be tapered down over a few months easily even if on like 2mb Xanax 3 times a day (which is WAY over prescribed if you’re on that much) if your doctor gives you 2mgx3 a day for instance you are not on the drug you actually need and shame.kn him/her….
You don’t NEED the long taper for methadone, it’s just nice to avoid the double-long withdrawal period (six days of agony instead of three). I’ve been there. The clinics only like to make you withdraw so slowly so you can be comfy and they can be in business.
I had previously been addicted to opiates for over 10 years. Started with dilaudid’s went to ox’s then finally to heroin. If you want to come off opiates comfortably I would definitely recommend Suboxone Subutex or zubsolv. I have no idea why they prescribe people methadone which you can mix with opiates unlike Suboxone. I mean is it supposed to be safer to be addicted to methadone than it is to say codeine morphine? Everybody I know that takes methadone for withdrawals has been on it for years and they always have to get more. I’m not understanding the logic behind that . At least if you take Suboxone you know you’re not going to do any opiates because the naloxone will block the high. If you take methadone and you take other opiates it’s just going to make you higher so somebody explained to me why methadone is supposed to help with opiate withdrawals as opposed to Suboxone. Or zubsolv. I would say Subutex but that doesn’t have naloxone in it and people can just use that as a crutch.
In Asia, people have used kratom in small amounts to reduce fatigue or treat opium addiction. In other parts of the world, people take kratom to ease withdrawal, feel more energetic, relieve pain, or reduce anxiety or depression
I am needing something for withdraws and energy. What type of kratom is best for this?
I’ve read through all these posts trying to find how many Kratom pills I should take for a first time using this. And it brought me to tears. I am so sorry, that so many young ones are going through opiate addiction. I love you all. Please please please take care of yourselves. People love you and you have a purpose in this World. I love you all.
I’ve been clean from heroin for seven years. With that being said I have been taking a steady diet of Suboxone the entire time. There’s not much I can say bad about suboxone. I took it the first day and felt better within a half hour. I’ve never taken too many or too much it’s never gotten me high. Although a strong cup of coffee where’s my first trip in the morning and there’s a definite energy boost that’s for sure. I decided enough was enough once I started hearing about kratom, definitely got interested. You’re right it is very very sad all the young people going through addiction. Alot has changed in the last 7 years. I FELT IN MY HEART TO SPEAK OUT! For those of you that think there is not life on the other side believe me 100% there is! I live an amazing life a normal life! Night and day difference between where I lived seven years ago. People don’t believe me when I tell them my story. Life is waiting on you!! Trust me!! For all of you that see this and think you cant be somebody!?!?! You are 100% wrong you can Be!! I hope this message gets to someone it can help!!
Amen to that 3 years clean kratom got me off suboxone now im free
Ditto
Im trying to get off Buprenorphine. I developed an allergy to the strips. I just got Kratom for the first time today. The white and the Red Bali. Should i wait until Im withdrawing from the Bupe to start the Kratom?
Yes
How was the transition from subs to kraton that’s what I want to do thanks!
Sorry brother but wait until you attempt to get off the subs :/. No less than a Month of misery and like 2 months to get out of the hole of depression you feel your in. Definitely start the switch over to kratom as soon you can brother. I was in the ER 3 times the first 10 days along with 2 different clinics . If not for this plant . Who knows . I can tough anything for a few days , week even but after the 3 week I didn’t think I could Fight the shit anymore . Very hopeless and painful. GL man
Thank you for your words; certain p n ople need to know this!
Wooowww.
These are beautiful words and it’s so wonderful to know there are kind caring loving compassionate people like you in our world.
Thank you so very very much ♥️☮️
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Just wanted to say thank you for the love. i struggled with heroin addiction for 6 years. It was by the glory and grace of God i was freed from my addiction 8 years now. To those of you still struggling there is hope. If i can do it i promise you can too! Give your life to Christ and ask him to save you!
After reading these posts i felt the need to share more for anyone still struggling without hope. I got clean in prison in 2012. First thing i can say is i new i was done. I had at that point been to detox 52 times multiple holding facilities (waiting for a halfway house in Massachusetts) 6 sober houses and could never get more than six months. I was completely unpredictable. Bad day get high. Good day get high. Not sure get high. Ill never forget the first time i went to get high and didnt want to. I was on the train with a friend from my current halfway house and he said “ do you really want to do this” and i looked at him an said “ No but it is to late we are already going” i knew my mind was made up and nothing would stop me. I got out of prison and moved to Florida. Not saying geography was the answer. It may have helped but i know i would have stayed clean in boston. I was truly done. Here is what i did. I got very involved in the program. ( i have to be honest i don’t go anymore i got saved in 2015 and now Jesus is my program.) but for the first 3 years i was all in. They say 90 and 90 i did 240 and 90. If i thought i should do something that would help i did it. If i even questioned something for a second like should i do this? I didnt do it. I became a personal trainer which i still am. I shared at meetings. I chaired meetings. I started reading self help books. If i was hanging out with people that would glorify using you know always telling war stories or talking Negative all the time or derogatory about women (stayed away from women for over a year)I called them out and if they kept doing it i had to stop hanging out with them. Some people would even talk shit and tell me I thought i was better than them. Not true i just could go back to that life and after 6 years in and out of recovery i was not willing to go down that road and i knew where it started. I never had luck finding good sponsors but, i had mentors in business and life. I sought out and hung out with successful people. I love the saying small minds talk about other people average minds talk about events and great minds talk about ideas. I started to learn what a powerful impact things had on my subconscious. I fell in love with the fitness and wellness industry and would constantly research and study. Finding something you love doing can be so powerful. I had goals plans dreams. Please, dont get it twisted the first year was not easy. I fought tooth and nail for the life i wanted. It was worth it. Never waking up dope sick again. There is hope. You can do this. YOU are worth it. God has a plan for you. And tho i may not know you I believe in you. Thank you dawn you inspired me. I have a bad back and i take kratom 4-10 grams a day. I would suggest people be careful tho. I could see how this could lead to a relapse and i had 5 years before i even tried it ( yes i think time matters) also, i could see how it might help someone like myself when i was in the grips. Kratom prob wont completely relieve withdrawal but it will help. Stay strong and just remember there is life out here if you choose it. I do believe it is a choice. If anyone actually reads this and wants someone who totally gets it down load the bigo app my handle is G.E.T.S or email me [email protected] i will be more than happy to talk. Also i am starting a youtube channel called Gods Kitchen. There is nothing on there yet but i am going to start getting off the ground soon. Isaiah 61:1-4. Love from a fellow addict ~Sways
I enjoyed reading your post.
Your story truly inspired me! Thank you so much for sharing. Much love
Pain is pain and even I w 38 years sober am not a masochist- can’t find proper dosing chart but as usual will have to figure it out myself and will either find solution or not. I am sad that so many have gotten involved w heroin – my generation did LSD – and I had some home grown blue grass from KY. Never liked to go from zero to 100. Lived in LA and made movies which when cocaine was everywhere. But got sober at 23. Regardless of what one uses as detox the issue is that maturity is synonymous w recovery. One must change friends, add that which is enjoyable before taking away what one uses to quell negative feelings. It isn’t easy to keep one’s self from using something to function in American culture of addiction to money, food, shopping, etc. I used the buddy system to begin with. Got buddy to get thru beginning weeks and months. I certainly have tools which are really skill sets to be learned in order to take power back in one’s own life. Yes I went to AA 2x/day for years – giver or take a day here or there. Finding out what gives u inspiration is a skill too. Finding out who one actually is makes all the difference. How to do that when young-ish? Find buddy to get thru it with who makes u laugh. No one can ever find someone who looks as sensitive and afraid or insecure and we feel. The entire human race is terrified – it’s more acceptable to be addicted to dough or shopping or accumulating stuff – but it’s just as sick. The only way to get the monkey off ur back is to act ur way into right thinking. Can’t think way into right action. I am glad I am not facing the constant disinformation given to the population at 30 years old. It appear to be a tall order to dismiss the constant distraction. I think many need dogs or service dogs because unconditional love is not easy to find. The dog will help as long as it knows it’s job is to look out for u. I was lucky to find sobriety (which is not just to stop using) early and I was willing to do whatever I was told to do. Never did heroin so I can’t speak to it but have friends who did. Have a friend who was on heroin and was stabbed 32 times by serial killer but she lived. Knowing why we feel bad doesn’t make us feel good – it’s just data – I know what upsets me, makes me mad, sad or enraged. What is more important is to find out what goadens u, what is it that resonates w u and focus on that – yet another skill. Buddy system helps with most important problem – morbid preoccupation with self. Find funny AA meetings – funny movies, funny pets. I used to work for Al Gore and I no longer watch the news. I have power over what I allow into my reality. That’s about it but that is huge. I have not gone thru 4 decades unscathed- lost kids, mother sued me for Dad’s insurance, just to name a few. It can be done that one’s own company is enjoyable. What I focus on gets bigger. Was in car accident which did something to hip. Pain every day. Pain clinics and DEA are in bed with food and big pharma. I am gonna try to use this Kratom today and remind myself that what I wrote, I need to remember. Using is untenable and not using is also untenable without the change in perception. I felt like I was my true self after 2 dirty martinis- what would I do today if there was no such thing as fear? I hope this is useful to someone who could get thru reading it. It was useful to mean and I guess I will go up to 9 grams in search of freedom from pain. For me it’s gonna be ok today. I hope it is for you all as well. Am gonna stay away from energy sucking people and maybe listen to Bonnie Raitt. I don’t have TV. I appreciate all the 700 posts.
Thank you for your post. I needed that so deeply.
Dawn, this post truly inspired & educated me. Thank you for sharing. Now, off to find/make a buddy.
Dawn, you rule
Hello I am needing some help I am wanting to come off heroin a gram a day how much kratom and what strain do I need please PLEASE PEOPLE WHO KNOW E.MAIL
Use a Red strain as it’sbest for pain and is sedating, probably Red Bali would be your best bet. Look up herbal-RVA on Google, trust me on that forsure. Maeng da is a great strain too but is a lot more stimulating instead of sedating. I wish you the best of luck, I’ve known a lot of people who messed up their lives or died due to small amounts of heroin a daily-weekly. Kratom really well help you stay clean and alive if you put in effort. Kratom saved my life from prescription pills and alcohol, I probably would have died without it. Thankfully it takes away my cravings and helps me stay clear headed. It will take you at least 2-3 days to find your right dosing, just keep at it, start low and work your way up. Start with around 5 grams and slowly work your way up from there. You’ll find that more isnt always better with kratom, and finding the right dose to hit your sweet spot will take a few times of trial and error. Just don’t do too much at once or you’ll get nauseous. Hope this helps(:
Have you heard about Ibogaine ?
Kratom is great. But at some point you have to come off even that with some possible milder discomfort but nevertheless you will struggle at some point to some degree.
If you’d like to know the best way to get off with no withdrawals through Iboga I can explain…
Heck yeah… getting access here in California seems to be the hard part though. Kratom helped me get completely away from the more destructive habit, but it isn’t exactly easy to pull the plug on this at some point either. Been curious about Iboga for years.
I’m at the point to where i want to stop ive been doing it for about 5 months every day. I’m just now learning there are withdrawal symptoms and I’m kinda bumbed about it cause ive gotten to the point where I take to much I’m sick if I don’t take enough I’m sick and I just want it to be over with
I would like to know more! Thanks
Im very interested. Please contact me
When I was coming off of heroin I used red vein bali… I found it was the most opiate like and it played a big part in relieving the sickness…
How much of it did you take? I’ve been on pe rks for 3 years, very confused on how much to take, high doses at that, I’m using the red vein one but don’t think I’m taken enough, I’m glad you are off the Herron, please let me know how much I should be taken if you know, thanks
Jeanne
Did it help? What kind of withdrawal did u feel, if any? Thinking of using red bolera vein to come off subs
Hey I don’t know much about using kratom to come off opiates- But I do know personally about withdrawing from opiates and I do use kratom therapeutically to help with pain.
I did not use kratom to come off of opiates And honestly I can’t see how it would help. For me it was much too mild. Mind you I had to use Suboxone and I honestly could not recommend it enough.
Do it properly and you might never have to do it again.
I jumped from 40mg methadone plus oxucodone as needed to nothing but kratom with no withdrawal. It might not work well for higher doses if you don’t take the 5x extract
Try asking people on reddit try r/druggardening
Just go to reddit.ca and search up r/druggardening it’ll being you to a fourm and post a thread there’s a ton of people there to help you out and tons of plants if your looking to trade or talk to an average grower for a plant.. most people are nice enough to help someone In need in there
Red bali all red vein strains best for opiate relief/withdrawal
You should all know quite well, addiction is a social learned and reinforced disorder. Here is the real issue
Why knowing your an addict don’t you all go to NA.
God created and loves you all, we all need help, don’t be so scarred to reach out for help..
My son a heroin and other drug addict has great difficulty
He rationalizes everything about all drugs
Read the NA book it will guide your recovery
If you stop and don’t understand yourself and why it is that you look to drugs
Your foundation will be weak
Learn about it Go to AA and NA
People like you trying as a group to leave it all behind, willing to read, open up and change.
So many people have come out the other side happy, stronger, better people because they understood what it was that kept them using and afraid of change
So sad
To feel like your only son could die today you wake up in the middle of the night afraid,
But God has a plan for all, you have a choice, reach out before it’s to late to kiss your kids
Hello, I’m also not sure how to comment on here. I have genetic damage from prescribed pharmaceuticals. I was so stupid to believe my doctor! Anyway, after I stopped the drugs I couldn’t sleep at all. I figured this would even itself out but actually it continued with no improvement for five years. I was totally drug-free at that time. Finally, I decided I couldn’t take it anymore, wanted to be able to function without going into mini-sleeps during the day. So I went back on the tiniest amount of pharma possible to ensure I slept. After that, my whole life got better. I tried to stop much later on, no luck at all! Finally I have discovered nootropics but I have to take a huge dose of phenibut to get to sleep at all. Now, the phenibut is making me nauseous. Pot has zero effect and my first attempt at kratom was also no effect. I took 3g, waited, took 3g more, still nothing. I mixed it with applesauce. If I take it again the bag will be gone. I don’t know if I want to waste my money again. Suggestions?
Hey jg if you would soak your kratom in lemon juice and then add it to tea that would help also try extract lot stronger than just ordinary kratom. I take both. Also could be your strain people response differently to it what could be strong for isn’t strong for me and vice versa. Try different strains like green Malay or white Maeng mixed with red Maeng also yellow Bali is good
extracts bump your tolerance to such a ridiculous amount making it hard when you go without. turmeric with biprorein(i think that’s what it is / black pepper) also increases the feeling . not immediately but within a day or so
JG,
I’m no expert whatsoever and I’ve only been taking Kratom for about 6 weeks now for chronic pain and anxiety as a result of a malpractice surgery that was followed with 10 more surgeries to attempt to repair the damage. I have nerve pain and it’s very hard for me to manage it. I moved to a state that has even more strict rules about opioids so Kratom is basically my last ditch to function like a normal person. Anyways, so that’s my back story and I relate to what you wrote and I’m sorry you’re going through this. I wanted to say that my first time and each time I take a dose after a few days not, it has no effect on me whatsoever. But then I try again the next day, same dose and it works great. I am hoping they don’t ban this because the past 6 weeks have been amazing. So don’t give up!!! Also, you didn’t say what type you were using or where you got it. I’ve purchased 2 bottles (one red Borneo, one white Maeng Da) of capsules and one 1 ounce package of white Maeng Da powder____________ And I did prefer the Maeng Da over the Borneo just for the fact that the Borneo made me much more sleepy and I got shit to do. Anyways, I’m not sure if this site will alert me if you reply but I’d be happy to answer any other questions. I hope you find the right dose as I feel that this plant is a miracle. Good luck to you. 🙂
Oh ya, Mang Da is one of the best – Mang Da actually means “Pimp grade,” or something like that lol it usually gives me coffee like energy – now for bed, the best for me is the Green Malay, it has a more codine like effects, helps you sleep, its not energizing like Mang Da is – I prefer Green over Red or White, its my Fav, from my experience, red is more of not energetic but not too sedating, the White has milder pain effects, an is more energizing. But everyone has their preference, I know people who will only buy white, I know people that will only buy red, I only buy the green that’s my favorite. 😊hope this helps explain the different strains a bit better.
I have read a lot on kratom and I think unless you are getting some top notch very well taken care of kratom, then and only then does it have opiate like effects. I have been ruining my body with every drug for the last 15 years. Oxycontin has always been my choice. I successfully tapered off suboxone in 2014 and felt great. I got married had a perfect job and house. Then i had surgery and immediately my tolerance was back to where it was and to make a long story short I lost my job, house and got divorced.
I got back on suboxone last year and I am now down to 4mg daily.
I have a couple friends that hated suboxone and it made then sick. I said “Its making you sick because you took it either to soon or you took toomuch. I told then to start with 1/3 of a strip and wait 3 hrs and if you need more then take more. Those two friends have been off of them for a year doing amazing. A VERY CRUCIAL STEP WHEN TAKING SUBOXONE IS TO DRINK SOME WATER AND WAIT 5 MINS. I DRY UNDER MY TONGUE AND PUT THE STRIP THERE AND LAY ON MY BED FOR 20 MINS. ITS WAY MORE BENEFICIAL THEN THROWING IT IN YOUR MOUTH AND THEN GOING AND HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE.
Last thing is when I tapered with very little withdrawal in 2014 i was cutting an 8mg strip into 12 pieces and it would last me 12 days. taper in very small doses towards the end.
I could go on forever trying to explain what works for me. I know everyone is different but if you are on subs give that a try.
Remember that stuff is just to make you more comfortable while tapering, Make sure you get outside and clear your mind. 90% of it is mental.
Have a good day and thanks for letting me reply on your post
just be careful. i was on heroin, oxy, fent & methadone and got off methadone with kratom. yes it was god sent but now i am withdrawing from that (slow taper). i thought the things i read about WD was lies, they aren’t. just don’t take every day (couple times a week to avoid the opiate wd of it). it’s nowhere near as bad as methadone where u physically can’t function for months but i promise u 8 months in, i wake up in same wd feelings as i did with dope.
Need to take at least 5-7grams to notice an effect. This dose is based on the plan leaf powder not any concentrate – you might have to take 10g if u have any opiate tolerance, maybe 15g but too much will have you throwing up, then you won’t have any effect. I would say try 7g wait 30mins if you have no effect try 3g more.
As someone else mentioned. I would try a different strain. I also rotate strain to not developed a tolerance. I have used kratom to get off of methadone. Coming off of methadone is worse than coming heroin.
At one point in time over the past 15 – 20 yrs i have been full on addicted to everything from hydrocodone(lortab) as my starting point, then to oxycodone starting at Percocet transitioning to oxys/roxys, then to heroin/fent, my drug of choice which ended up being opana(oxymorphone… strong as hell) and ultimately methadone… at one time or another I have detoxed from them all, and methadone (government given after a quick check of the boxes) was by far the worst withdrawals I have ever experienced in my life!! Altered states of consciousness , literally thinking i was historic figures from past era’s, laying in my bathroom sick for days on end unable to move, and ultimately medically assisted ability to deficate… if this helps someone get off of any of the above, I’ll take the sweats, sleepless nights, and no energy a million times over from the methadone or opana withdrawals which I literally contemplated suicide to make it stop… god bless you all in your journey, and if this plant helps then god bless it too!
Bless your heart. I am praying for you. Don’t beat up on yourself emotionally. Think of this- how many normies who never took an opioid would be able to fight through they way you have and survived. Not many. I assure you.
Coming off of methadone has been the worst experience in my life by far. I’ve had cancer 3x’s now since age 12 and it’s currently overtaking my body so I go through a ton of pain on a daily and all Drs do is shove more pain meds in me to the point of using heroin bc fentanyl wasn’t doing the job anymore. Thank you everyone for the good tips.. I’ve been trying to go herbal for years now with no help until now. Thank you!
Look honestly if your just hear to preach against it. Just don’t ok we don’t need someone who thinks they are above us telling us what to do. None of us are using this as an addiction it’s for our problems pain or psychological. So please just stop
Yeah that’s really not what addiction is. It’s not due to any social construct or any bullcrap like that. And saying that if people dont like your plan for their recovery makes them not really trying then maybe that plan isn’t custom built for them. Some of those meetings are more destructive than you can imagine. Its discouraging. That doesn’t mean that they arent trying they just arent trying what you want them to try.
I’ve been using hydrocodone for 8yrs for chronic back pain that travels into my hips,legs and feet I can’t find anything that works. Was basically just booted out in the streets after having a so called pain management plan. I never abused or misused my medication or sold it to anyone. After the opiate crisis hit most chronic pain sufferers (like me) had to pay the price for the misuse and abuse of the drug. I went from being a chronic pain sufferer to a criminal purchasing hydrocodone from the streets to find relief. I’m not proud of this, it’s something that I’m very ashamed of not to mention the fear of getting caught or worse. I’m praying that I can find relief from Kratom if I can just minimize the pain enough to tolerate it I will be grateful.
Deborah,
So many of us have had to do the same. Cutoff due to others misuse and sent to the streets. Not proud either and scared to death. This is my last chance. I start tomorrow morning and all I can do is pray this works. I’ve cried, begged, and pleaded to god to help me through this. I hope you find a way out of this hell too.
I recomend green Malay kratom it helps me so much! I’m a recovering addict and chronic pain sufferer. I’m on my feet all day walking miles at a time for my job and I couldn’t do it without kratom! I used to have issues with sleep as well and it has helped with that also. You get more for you money if you buy in powder form but the only way I can take it is with coffee (something warm) cold liquids dont break it down well but warm liquids do. You can buy in capsules as well but you pay more for less. The green strain kratom is a balanced strain for pain and energy. I hope this helps you some and wish you the best of luck in your journey to living a better life. God bless
Deborah,
You told my story sweet one. If you want to talk my name is Traci and I am a recovering addict and a Mother and Wife. I have Multiple Sclerosis, Fibro Myalgia, and severe chronic fatigue. My spine is croken in 2 places and have 7 herniated discs and mild Scoliosis. I got frustrated with feeling dependent on prescriptions and traveling over 3 hours every month for so called, “Pain Management”. My husband and I decided I could possibly switch to Kratom. You can email me. [email protected]. God bless…..
Be careful with phenibut ordered on amazon brand name Lift Mode. I went stark raving mad and ended up in a psyche ward. I’ve never ever been crazy even when I was addicted to oxycodone or alcohol! Kratos does help with pain and I used it to get off suboxone which will take your life away too because it mellows you out so much you won’t have any ambitions. I was in the hospital 2 weeks and was diagnosed with a type of schizophrenia! Phenibut also made me throw up a lot! I will never use it again!
I am in a 12 step program and one of the main traditions is we don’t advertise or urge people to use our program. Attraction, not promotion. I’m glad some folks recover using it, I did. But we don’t preach because it’s not for everyone. I am grateful I found a “design for living”. I sure needed it. Good luck in all things 🙂
If we don’t talk about it.. How can others know how wonderful they could feel.. Talk talk talk
I don’t think you realize a lot if folks use Kratom to help the withdrawal symptoms of heroin and prescription pain killers. Others use it for anxiety or chronic pain. I have FAS that caused severe nerve damage, can’t work and my husbands employer doesn’t offer health insurance, yet makes too much to qualify for Medicaid. I can’t find a doctor (my neurologist retired) that will see me to give me my correct meds (none were narcotics) or my cortisone injections. Kratom helps on those bad days that I can’t even get out of bed, helps my anxiety because I can’t be the mother to my teenager that I feel I should be. So don’t tell people to go to NA when you have no idea what they are going through. I don’t get high on this whatsoever, but it can help ease my pain and anxiety. Take care of your child instead of preaching to others.
Hey Ken,
The belief that addiction is a disease not unlike diabetes or cancer is bullshit. NA & AA propaganda & 12 step systems are not the only help available out there for addicts to utilize.. Why you don’t you try reading a book or two about the other theories that study & explain the horrible cycle of addiction & how to break out of it..
Amazing I am a 55 yers young woman addict. Pain meds Benzos and alcohol 1am 130 days clean. Love AA/NA!! I have horrible chronic pain. So seeing this could be addictive. No thanks! Please Anyone reading this please medically detox. And try out or in patient rehab and PLEASE go to NA/AA/HA. Get a big book. It’s really becoming a priceless life
NA and rehab doesn’t help everyone considering sometimes that’s the best place to relapse. I did it cold turkey. And have never been to a rehab or a meeting. Was an addict for 15 years
If you never did it you shouldn’t be giving advice because NA is not for everyone in fact, they reintroduce to the drug so really it’s the addict that decides he is done. What we need is DMT. If you look up how many people got of drugs or took away ptsd and depression.
DMT is definitely not the easiest thing to get. And I’m not sure of the legality of it but you might want to try ayahuasca. There’s actually a show called Kentucky ayahuasca. But anybody that’s looking to come off of opiates please don’t go to methadone. I would say Suboxone or zubsolvs. Usually the people who like Subutex only like it because it doesn’t contain the noloxen and the people that like methadone like the fact that you can mix it with other opiates and get high.. after going through everything I would suggest taking as little bit of a strip to take the edge off. And my experience I didn’t build a tolerance to it but it helps with the fact that I know I’m not going to get high if I take an opiate. Also people who say they get sick from Suboxone is usually because they’re not far enough into withdrawal. That’s where Subutex helps because they’ll stop you from being sick but after a few days of being on it you should really switch to Suboxone or zubsolvs that way you don’t have that mental urge to do it. It’s kind of like an abuse to alcoholics. If you know something’s not going to get you high then you lose interest in trying it. I have been on Xanax for 20 years and whenever I get a new doctor they tell me benzos are not the solution from long-term anxiety. My first question is then what is. They don’t ever mention any medication they tell me breathing exercises count to 10 do yoga complete waste of time just reduce your dosage slowly but comfortably and then go to something more organic such as marijuana CBD or kratom. A doctor’s not going to tell you that because big pharma doesn’t pay them. I know a lot of people that used to smoke pot back in the day but say now when they do it it gives them anxiety . First of all the weed people smoked in the ’90s was probably around 10% THC now we’re up to about 25 to 30% so it’s a lot stronger. I would also recommend smoking an indica instead of a sativa if you’re having issues with anxiety. If you’re still on some of these medications try to wean yourself off before making the switch . Every doctor is different. I just seen my new doctor and she told me I had to make the choice between Xanax and pot I’ve been on Xanax for 20 years so I’m going to talk to her about kratom which I’m sure she’s never even heard of before but that’s what we need to do is start talking to the doctors and making them look this stuff up but again there’s no money to be made off of it for them. Why go to the doctor for a pill when you can go to a smoke shop for some capsules of organic leaf. Big pharma still has a big grasp on government. My personal opinion is when they switched oxycontin to a non-abuse form after the patent was up after seven years and Purdue pharma stopped making them people immediately went to heroin because of the price. But now with all the fentanyl it’s killing people. I also recommend getting some test kits to test your own substances as they are making a lot of fake pills using pill presses.
Wow what powerful simple message! Great words of wisdom thank you for the encouraging facts I love N.A./A.A Always so much to learn and do thru and from God! The big book and N.A. book are deep and neat meeting are so important to our sobriety we find strength friends and support from others in the right areas the meetings are very priceless!
I want to do white Malay with green Maeng da in the morning. Any suggestions on the ratio. Btw I’m 140 pounds female 5’0 tall been doing this daily for 10 months now.
Hi im not really sure how to comment or reply on here but im giving it a shot. Ive been a heroin Iv user for about 8 years. Ive had previous sobriety through out those years but always end up relapsing. I just had a year off evweytbing and relapsed on fetanyl. A friend referred me to kratom and sent me 250 g of gold bali and 250 g of white maeng da. I took about half a tablespoon and mixed the gold bali with some sleepy time tea. Am i doing this right? I decided to take it before bed so.maybe i wouldnt wake up in the morning in withdrawl. If anyone can tell me dosage and how often id really appreciate it!
I used to smoke heroin daily and actually used Kratom to avoid withdrawals altogether. I didn’t have one withdrawal symptom when using Kratom to help with that. I would recommend a red vein because red veins seem to mimic opiates more than green or white veins. I would take one teaspoon 3 times a day. A dose in the morning, a dose around 1 or 2 pm, and a dose before bed. To prepare my Kratom drink i use a coffee filter to strain out all the ground material leaving you with just the tea. I also find that mixing it with ginger tea or using ginger syrup pretty much masks the horrible taste. Another option would be to put your Kratom powder into capsules, which is what I do, so I don’t have to taste it. I would recommend either red Bali, red Borneo, or red Sumatra. I would try Borneo first, IMO it’s the best for opiate like effects that also reduce your withdrawals tremendously. I switched between red Bali and Borneo at random because I just had both around. Hope this helps. Also 1 teaspoon is about 2.5-3 grams. I weigh my teaspoons and usually get between 2.5-3 grams. That’s a good dose to start with and it’s good to take lower doses if you plan to use it multiple times a day, which I recommend doing.
I’ve read a few stories on here but I have to say one thing; Kratom Powder completely saved my life; I have been diagnosed and treated with prescriptions for rheumatoid arthritis; I’m 34 years old; married to a veteran and have two children; my doctor(s) has me on 6mg of Xanax; I’m 125 lbs, 60 mg of Percocet and 60 milligrams of adderall, so it had my nerves my pain and energy levels controlled but it was destroying my life, memory, and body to no end. I have an uncle who is a body builder 70 years old tell me about red vein Bali kratom; he no longer was in pain after a critical accident that crushed his whole body and came off Percocet cold turkey with it; I came off all 3 medications with it about 4 months ago and guess what my levels have evened out; my blood pressure is normal again; I’m not so tired I feel like I’m going to fall asleep just talking to you. My activity level has increased and I’m up with my husband and children everyday. Also, my husband is an 82nd airborne vet (504 strike hold) he is 43 and rapidly deteriorating due to a spinal condition from jumping out of airplanes; 4 total tours and his body is beaten down just as badly as mine; he started to take the Kratom as well. He came off pain medicines that were enough to kill a whale. My mother overdosed and died on heroin back in February of this year I only wish I knew about this plant based powder back then, maybe her urges would have been gone. I have no desire to take any medication of course with RAD you have to take certain medications to sustain life but my mental and psychical condition have leveled off and it all shows in my blood work; do I still have flares when under stress yes but now I’m more aware of my body than ever. I’ve been a firm believer in natural remedies my entire life; so if it’s a choice between taking 1 gram of Kratom and cutting 3 prescriptions out I chose that because you get tired of missing things. I was diagnosed 3 years ago and I truthfully can hardly remember the last three years of my life or my husbands life or my children’s. I didn’t try the Kratom with high hopes but I prayed it would work and I did my research and drug and chemical reactions before ever purchasing. Between my husband and myself we have helped over 20 friends in the last 4 months get off drugs but also help them with chronic pain bc their doctors decided one day just to take them off without any weening. So it’s not just for addicts it’s for those who don’t want to take pills to function and want to live a fulfilling life without memory lapses bc if the doctor prescribed it, it must work. Once again I use Kratom for Rheumatoid arthritis disease that has already affected my heart lungs kidneys and brain; I’m clear headed and energetic; do I still wake up stiff and locked yes, I keep a 1/4 tsp and my childproof bottle of Kratom powder on my nightstand so I can get it before my husband and children are up and they don’t have to look at “mommy laying on the couch immobilized.” 7 heroin related deaths happen in the town I live in each week; that doesn’t count the ODs that survive.
I put mine in a 16 oz bottle of OJ and shake the hell out of it. Travels well and the taste is more than bearable
You can also mix your favorite Kratom with chocolate milk, that will mask the bitter unsweet tea taste
I’ve been using kratom for a year. Before I was a heavy opiate user, and methamphetamine user. I’ve been sober from both for just over a year thanks to kratom. I’ve worked the steps. I’ve been to the meetings. While in rehab my mother died from an opioid overdose. She was 55. See addiction runs in my family. I will praise kratom, because without it I’d be dead or on my way. I now, am back to my profession as a machinist. Making good money. It takes balls to pick yourself up and suffer through those withdrawals. But we can do this. Just have faith in yourself. I used red bali, and other red strains. I started with green Maeng. But my pain still didnt subside. But reds have hit the spot. Be safe out there guys.
hey jenna –
i got off heroin w methadone and got off methadone with kratom. it was god sent as the methadone withdrawal was far worst than the kratom. methadone wd far worst than heroin so it should help. ur def not taking enough tho. u need 1 tsp at minimum of the gold bali. half is not enough. try 1 tsp then 3/4 hours later bump to 2 if need and still sick.
but be careful how long u take kratom. u won’t feel the high of dope but it will ease the WD symptoms i promise u. half is mental remember that also. i have a scale – get one to be exact. don’t take every day just during wd so y don’t end up coming off kratom addiction like me which i wish i researched better its god sent but u need to respect the plant or u will go thru wd
What mg of methadone were you taking when you came off? I’m in the dosing down process now. I only got up to 50 mgs, I’ve been dropping 5 mgs every week. I’m down to 10 mgs now & I have exactly 2 weeks before I’m coming off completely. There’s a CBD/Kratom Dispensary down the road from me & I plan on using it as a bridge just until the methadone is completely out of my system. I’ve actually been to a Kratom bar in St. Pete FL & they mix it with flavored teas so I’m familiar with it. But I need to be able to still go to work. Were you able to function the 1st week?
Only 10 mg??? You’re gonna be fine! I barely felt sick coming off 40mg with kratom;just be consistent and take the powder as soon as you feel sick at all. And stop regular usage as soon as withdrawal week is over.
Has anyone helped you yet? Is the kratom working for you? It took me about 7 or 8 attempts before I made it stick, got me off fentanyl/suboxone! I was in withdrawal still while using the kratom for 6 weeks but it was probably only about 40% of what it would have been without it! Absolute miracle! Not only that, I have serious chronic pain and it might be even better at killing pain than the dope was!
Using that long and your method of injection I would try Suboxone and just taking enough to take the edge off before thinking something like kratom is going to help. It will but not if you start cold turkey off a powerful opiate such as oxycodone fentanyl morphine etc also zubsolv works the same way you just put it under your tongue it’s in pill form. Please don’t go from one opiate to methadone I don’t know who came up with that idea and I don’t understand the logic behind it. In the very beginning maybe the first week I would see if the doctor would give you Subutex so you don’t have to wait until you feel so sick that you can’t take it anymore. After a week all the opiate will be out of your system so you should be able to get by with small amounts of Suboxone or zubsolvs. From there I would go to either THC CBD or kratom. Possibly a mixture of the three depending on your needs and what helps. Just don’t go to a methadone clinic. Is methadone supposed to be safer than coding? Methadone does not stop you from using other opiates like Suboxone does you can mix methadone with any opiate and still get high that’s why I don’t understand the logic of it because they don’t wean you down off methadone they bring you up steadily. If there is somebody reading this that is on methadone because they are coming off heroin or something please tell me why you chose to do that instead of Subutex zubsolv or Suboxone?
Hi this is Jessica…. I want to thank everyone for the support. So it has been 1 month since my journey of quiting drinking. I did not seek medical help… And I am not miraculously sober. I will say that I am down to a litlle under half of a bottle. I know its not a full recovery but its a start and I am still going strong on my will. I also will say I did try to just not drink. It lasted less than 48 hours. It was NOT because I wanted a drink but my body did literally need it. I hallucinated. And I got so sick that I prayed for death.. I just wanted to give an update….. Thanks again for all of you
I did it without help also and it’s been 7 years now. The physical pain can last awhile though. I actually ended up having a liver transplant. But you can do it! Keep the faith! God is good!❤️
Hey Jessica my name is Pavel and I understand you so much. I was recently binge drinking for 5 years heavily. Everyday every minute every second. I went through the shakes depression nausea irritability shakiness. I even got pancreatitis. It was so difficult to quit and it still is. Alcohol is worse than heroin you can actually die from the withdrawal. I’m not a doctor but 2mg of Klonopin 600mg of gabapentin changed my life forever and some weed here and there. Also kratom has helped me out so much I don’t crave alcohol feel energized and happy. You will leave the alcohol behind. Remember moderation is key. Wean of softly. Much blessings you got this.
2 mg of klonopin and 600 mg oh gabapentin isn’t much better than drinking excessively, yes you might be a little more in control of your motor functions however wait until you try to come off those klonopin‘s and have a seizure . That’s poured place to be telling someone to trade one addiction for the next.
That’s poor advice To tell someone to be trading one addiction for the next*
whats the problem with gabapentin? iv`e been on 600mg about 3 months,is there something i should know?VA put me on it and never said anything about it.
I was on gabapentin as well and I have heard some awful things about it. If I’m not mistaken there have been some deaths. I would talk to your doctor about getting off of it and do some research.
Thank you pavel but I am really trying to avoid medications…. I am very glad to hear that it worked for you and that you are doing well…. I hope you Keep it up…. You can do it
Hi Jessica, I’m Karen and I’m an alcoholic, I know exactly what your going through first hand, I gave up drinking before because I was taking OxyContin for my pain, I had to come off that cold turkey as well. I use Kratom for my pain, and it’s really helping.
On another note, I have gone to AA and the support and understanding from folks just like us is amazing, they are not a cult, just regular people trying not to drink.
If you wanna talk to me anymore, sbout this or anything my mail is [email protected]
I wish you alll the best
Karen
Thank you Karen. I am so blessed to have talked to so many people that have or are going through what I am…. One of my biggest issues was feeling isolated. Like everyone would only judge me and think the worst of me… I had no idea that other people one way or another were wearing the same shoes im walking in…. Support has really been the biggest tool….. Thank you