Kratom Strains And Effects
Updated Nov 11, 2021
Written By: Mark Andrews
Countless people across the world are learning about kratom in 2020. With so many strains, its important to understand which strain is right for you. Unlike synthetic opioids, kratom’s chemical composition is complex, and the effects of this composition are dynamic.
Its main alkaloids are mitragynine, paynanthine, speciociliatine, and the more minor 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG). Kratom’s neurochemical complexity is echoed in its physiological effects.
It is generally understood that at low doses (< 1 gram), kratom “can boost energy and enhance mood,” whereas at higher doses kratom is sedating, and may have anxiolytic qualities.
The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.
Click on any strain below to find more information:
Ground Leaf Strains
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Bali | An ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost. Bali works somewhat differently than a traditional red kratom. Bali helps achieve a gentle energy boost while maintaining the pain relief expected of a red. Euphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Maeng Da | Energizing and stimulating with pain killing effects. Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick because of it’s specific alkaloid properties. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Bali | Similar to Bali with some red characteristics. This is a known as a versatile strain. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Thai | Similar to Bali with a more classic red strain effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Kali | Sedating and more classically opiate like. Red Kali is a more traditional red kratom offering pain relief & relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Indo | Similar to Red Kali and many other traditional strains. Red Indo is a more tame red vein strain and is often touted as ideal for mild pain relief and relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Indo | Balances pain relief and energy boosting qualities. The combination of alkaloids in Green Indo creates a longer lasting milder effect although there is not as high of a concentration of alkaloids as SGM. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Malay | This original variety of Malaysian Kratom is well known for its mood-lifting, energizing effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Vein Kali | A stimulating strain which also has painkilling attributes. Green Kali delivers a strong boost of energy without sacrificing any of the sought after pain relief effects. It is know for have a higher potency than Green Indo. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Kali | More euphoric or dissociating. White Vein Kali is a milder white strain known for its energizing qualities – when compared to Red Vein Kali – while still containing notable pain relief qualities. . | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Thai | White Thai may be the most stimulating of all white strains. There are however less pain relieving attributes than a red vein strain or a strain similar to Bali as a trade off. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Indo | Similar to Red Indo which is best known for its pain relief attributes. However White Vein Indo differs from the calming Red Indo by bringing a euphoric dissociative kick with it. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Borneo | Known as a uniquely high quality white strain of kratom. It has known for its long lasting, energizing effect. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Super Green Malaysian | Known for its unique ability to combine the characteristic pain relieving properties of a red strain with the energy and euphoria boost of a white strain. SGM also has some of the longest lasting effects of any kratom with smooth delivery due to the high concentration of alkaloids. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
Kratom Extracts
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Ultra Enhanced Indo | Most euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety. UEI manages to contain a full range of effects including pain relief & relaxation with a slight energy and mood boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Gold Reserve Extract | Powerful extract made by applying highly concentrated kratom alkaloids back to natural kratom leaf. Gold Reserve is a highly potent extract providing a blend of stimulation and pain relief while providing full body relaxation with a notable energy boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| ISOL-8 Extract | ISOL-8 is an outlier and has caffeine like stimulation. ISOL-8 uniquely focuses in on the energy and stimulating effects of kratom while other extracts generally bring out a broader range of effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Ultra Enhanced Red Kali | This extract is made by blending pure alkaloids from Red Vein Kalimantan leaf with high quality Red Kali leaf. This is not made with semi-synthetic chemicals but only all natural kratom leaf alkaloidal extract. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced True Thai | Made from taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction of Thai Kratom and reapplied to a Green Vein Thai leaf. This extract is a high potency version of classic Thai kratom strains notable for a mild energy boost with significant pain relief & relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced White Sumatra | Created by taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction from white vein kratom and mixing it with White vein leaf. This reformulation results in a more potent version of white vein kratom with significant pain relief and relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
I may have gotten a lesser quality, it doesn’t seem to have serious impact. Was on 40-40 Oxycontin with 15 mg x4 as needed for breakthrough pain. Since 2007, went from Oxy to Fentanyl and 25 miles bicycling per day, work for added distraction and purpose. Have Anesthesia Dolorosa after radiofrequency rhizotomy, a complication. 24×7 pain, severe, to my trigemenal nerve, now on the state allowed 90mmg which does little. I won’t make it if I don’t get some relief from this constant pain.
I understand some of these folks posting here don’t understand everything, but if you’re not looking for, or offering, help in these threads, you may have a different kind of issue and may find some relief in behavioral therapy.
Hello Dee!
I have cervical spine pain from a birth defect… born w/o 3 discs, so my bones have been trying to correct the issue. I am in constant pain! I have extremely tight trapezoids, and this causes deep muscle pain.
I had been on Oxycodone (30 mg) for over 10 yrs! One in the morning so I can function; One at bedtime so I can sleep w/o chronic pain. My tolerance is now very high to these opioids! I wanted to stop the addiction, or, as my pain doctor (enabler) calls it: dependence. Whichever. Both suck!
My husband watched and shared w/me a Netfix documentary: “A LEAF OF FAITH” by Chris Bell. Highly recommend you watch!
We found Kratom (Maeng Da strain) in 500 mg capsules, which is 1/2 a gram ea.
Wierd, but we bought it at one of our local VAPE STORES, when we googled to locate. The gentleman was very sophisticated & very knowlegable! After listening to what I have been taking for so long, he suggested taking 3 capsules to start… and then, “do not be afraid to take 2 more, if you are still in pain”.
Well, Dee, I have not taken ANY OPIOIDS since 9/15/18, and I feel great! No withdrawals, no side effects, much less pain! Additionally, I take 2 Aleves in the morning for muscles inflamation. Whatever works.
I am having a blood draw this Fri 10/12 to check cholesterol, liver functions, etc. and I will post again after I get results.
I hope this helps you.
Amen..
Christine Can you post how you made the switch over.Did you stop pain meds completely at first or did you ween off while taking Kratom? Did it take a while to feel good. Did you have to up your Kratom dose over time. I have disc problems had lower back and neck surgery, 6 months ago my doc reduced my meds in half concerned more about the new laws than my pain level.and although I can just take them when I’m miserable, it’s not enough to have everyday be ok.I need to find a way to reduce but not miserable. And then get off. It’s scary as I have been on them 10 years on and off.
If I were you I’d do a taper and use the kratom when your on ur last week of taking one pill a day. I was on Morphine and oxycontin but not at the same time. Only when my tolerance got too high for one I’d switch so this last time I had been on Morphine a very long while. I didn’t think I’d ever see myself off but guess what? I did! You can too. I didn’t hear about kratom until I was off mine.
Margo what strains are you using? I’m currently on 2x30mg Ms contin (morphine) and 4×10 Norco 10/325 a day. Been on for two years. Dose doesn’t cover my pain and have high tolerance. Just got $100 of kratom different strains. Curious what to start with first and how much. I have Borneo red vein, maeng da thati green and red, Bali white and red, maeng da red, Thai red, Vietnam red. Thank you in advance for your advice. Excited and eager to try.
Amen!!! That’s freakin awesome! I’m trying to cut back on my norco, just got off of the pain patch fentyl, just started with Kratom and it’s been life saving for me!!!
Is there any proof that the more mood enhancing strains could possibly help a person suffering from hypersexuality and depression
Your final sentence here is the most succinct and effective retort to trolls that I’ve ever seen in a thread. Well said!
Anything natural and not produced by them is preferable. All you self-righteous fux talking about people with addictions don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground. The government got us addicted to all this b******* from the pharmacies…. Vietnam and Afghanistan war shipping in more heroin to this country than it has ever seen. You people know what the most called for substances are to Poison Control in the US??? Aspirin and acetaminophen, but you judgy bastards probably wouldn’t care because those don’t get you high, doesn’t matter if it kills you as long as you don’t get high from whatever you’re taking, f*** you. Oh the root for pharmaceutical is pharmakeia, which is what 99% of this moron country takes. It means poison, spell, or drug. And due to the meaning/context of the other two definitions, the drug part doesn’t mean drug that helps you, it’s more like the rapey kind of knock you out and stick things in your butt kind of drug.
Well here I go. First day first time using kratom. Been smoking H for a while. A gram or more a day.I sure hope this is the miracle I’ve been looking for for 25 years. I’ve tried everything from withdrawal ease to paying 20 grand to fly to so Cal and having my system flushed…but nothing’s ever worked I’ve always had intense wd. Thank you for all your comments! Because of them I bought some maeng da last night, although I’m wondering if I shouldve purchased Bali for withdrawals?? I wish you all luck and Blessings as we press on and put addiction behind us.
May wanna look into red horn. I’m currently trying maeng da rn. Still waiting on the effects goodluck man.
My first time with red maeng da didnt effect me til the next day and i explain it to ppl as being The Tin Man getting his oil. No pain anwhere, felt like i needed to take advantage of the Younger version of me. Better than any Motrin, tyleno, naproxen cocktail ever.You finally feel just like a normal person. I highly recommend a trial/error so you can get back to the YOU you once were even if just for 6-8 hours. No qualms, better than wasting away in your disbility. Shop n read my friends!
Aaron: Don’t be afraid to take as much as you need to help with pain control. I have suffered with paraneoplastic polyneuropathy since 2002 when chemo from breast cancer took control of my life. It”s been oxycontin, morphine, oxycodone and gabapentin continuously just to function on a daily basis. The doc started weaning me from six 5ml oxycodones per day last year and I started falling due to not being able to feel my feet. Also, was getting burnt and cut fingers while cooking because I couldn’t feel in them yet the full body neuropathy was very painful. It’s difficult to explain to people how it can hurt while not being able to feel. Last winter I was introduced to Kratom and have been using it for weaning off opoids. The biggest issue with Kratom is the duration of effectiveness. It only lasts about 2-3 hours and must take 4-5 capsules evert 3 hours for it to do any good. But it DOES HELP! It gets expensive, but if the idiots in government are not using sensible laws or techniques to help people with chronic pain, this is the way it will have to be. I take 5 capsules on an empty stomach before even getting out of bed in the morning (usually 9 or 10 a.m.). If the neuropathy is really, really bad I will pop a 5ml oxycodone and I’m usually good until 1 p.m., then four more, four at 5 or 6 p.m., with five at bedtime (usually 10 or 11 p.m.). Occasionally I will need five in the middle of the night if I’m having a bad day.
I have also been experimenting with “wild lettuce.” To date, it is just chewing the green leaves and it is VERY effective. The biggest issue with it is supply. I harvest it on dog walks but with winter coming it will not be available. There are several other herbal remedies, but haven’t tried them yet. Let me know if this info is helpful. GOOD LUCK! The people with chronic pain will need something if we are going to have any quality of life.
Rebecca, thank you for taking the time to write me. You’re absolutely right I find myself taking 3 to 5 grams every 3 hours, I was concerned that it was too much. It does work and help tremendously as I am 6 days clean now. My only concern is if I’m consuming this much will I have withdrawal if I stop? Best of luck to you and I pray God heals you!!
Kratom like any other drug throughout history can be abused. Benadryl, coffee, nasal spray… I like the fact that it’s natural. Then again, so is hemlock and poison ivy. Whatever you take, your body will adjust and you will need to take more for the same effect, and the more you take, the less effect it will have. Kratom has helped me. Yes, its legal and natural, but an addiction is an addiction. If you feel I you need some, always take the least effective dose possible, sparsely.
I take adderall during the day to get work done and have that energized can do feeling going on so I can actually accomplish something. At nite I play music live or at home and prefer opiates in small doses to give that slightly euphoric relaxed feeling.
What strains do you guys recommend for replacing those 2 pharms as I really dont like taking any “legal drug”/pharmaceutical. Thanks.
Green maeng dai in the day red Bali/Borneo at night. Jmo
white vein kali
White vein
Same thing here. I take green maeng da in the am instead of Adderall and red bali in pm.
Hi all. I have rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia and several things that cause severe pain, I also have insomnia and no energy. I am looking into kratom but I have a bunch of allergies so idk if it will hurt me. Also does it show on drug test?
Anyone know best place to purchase and what type?
Thank you
Damn you found this can you not read or search on the Internet .
Lynnell, you don’t have to be mean to Meg. I too am looking for the best source of Kratom too.
I concur. I’m here because I’m getting conflicting info online, so I feel it must be more efficient to ask the “experts” for all of your personal recommendations and any advice anyone may be kind enough to provide. I’ve been using Red Vein Bali (I think. Might just be Red Bali) for 2 weeks now, 500mg per capsule, 3 capsules each dose x3 times a day. I can feel NO difference. I have severe anxiety and chronic back pain from 2 disc herniated and faceted arthritis in my lower back.
trying to reply to sara saners
Sara, that’s a really low dose(1.5g) even for a beginner. Is it safe to assume that you have been on opiates for a while? I would double(3g) or triple(4.5g) your current dose and you should feel some effects. Personally I take 20g every 4 hours. I use powder because that would be 40 capsules every 4 hours and to many gelatin capsules gives me nasty heartburn and an upset stomach.
I found your reply to be very unnecessary. I have found for the most of us Kratom users to be very kind to one another because we want to help. From this point on maybe you need to keep in mind, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
There are vetted vendors listed on the FB page.
Ya I’m new to kratom and yea I have found what I want to know by ”internet research” but sometimes it’s nice to hear what works for others that use it and their effects with the different stains. This is what’s wrong with the world today, everyones an internet jerk but in real life I hope you’re not this mean. People should help each other not tear them down.
So I have tried a bunch of different strains, mostly red vein. Some gold some green. I avoid the white vein because it’s like speed. Green vein is the best balance between white and red. If you are looking for a good time red Kali is the best. If you want pain relief it works the best for that. But green maeng da is almost my new favorite strain I’ve tried. You will see many maeng da strains from various colors of veins. Vein is the color of the stems inside the leaves. White vein is more energizing. From my many months of experience using and experimenting with them. Maeng da means energizing yet pain relieving and when attached to a strain color it means it’s underlying cut/after peak side effects. Like white is energizing like speed. Red is more like an opiate. Gold is in between green and red more leaning on the red side. When I say colors I’m referring to the effects mainly prominent from using those strains i.e., speed, opiate, etc. Green maeng da is my only choice for green. It is stimulating yet pain relieving and somehow still feels like an opiate. No matter what strain you take this is always the same result time and time again: in low doses it’s stimulating (1-4 grams) and high doses (7-15 grams) it’s sedating. Whether it’s green red or gold. I have not tried white too extensively only because I don’t want to tweak out. My normal dose is once a day 15-20 grams and I take it with lemon juice to potentiate it (make it more potent), that is when I take straight powder. When I use capsules I still take the same amount but just with tea. Also one more thing (I know this is a lot) caffeine helps potentiate it as well VERY WELL!!! kratom and coffee are in the same species of plant. I personally use Monster Energy drink but coffee would work just fine. I’m giving you the very knowledge and wisdom of my experience in using this product. All of them at high doses have the potential to get you high, the nice thing is when you decide to use a natural plant like this you don’t have any withdrawal side effects. And if you do there very very minor compared to like regular opiates. One last little thing that I forgot to mention eat something fatty after 30-60 minutes of dosong, the fatty content helps to metabolize the alkaloid that using the permanent effects from the kratom. I hope this helps you I’m not writing off of a Blog from what someone else said I’m writing personally and strictly for my own experience. Be blessed 😊
The one thing that you need to remember is with Kratom, less is more!!
And you can and should use it without using opiates with it. Go cold Turkey and use Kratom because it will stop the effects of your opiate when using both.
I was on percocet tens 5 A-day for almost 20 years and I went cold Turkey using red thai,
And I never looked back.
No one needs to be on here with a badd attitude because we’re all thankful this is available. It is a live changing alternative to opiates. If you were to the point where you are hateful then move on. Good luck everyone
This is for Lynell Rayme:
Why you have to be so nasty…that was rude if someone is coming here for information and you do not have information the just shut the hell up……was that really necessary to answer like that? Find yourself a strain of kratom for nastiness and take a double dose.
Andrew,
In your experience, what would be the absolute LEAST stimulating, yet still pain relieving strain? I’ve had back surgeries and am full of arthritis, but my body is already hyper and I cannot even drink one cup of coffee without vibrating. I need a calming and pain relieving effect.
Thanx much,
Greg T
Well said
AMEN!
Amen!!!!!
Where you live and proximity to stores which carry the product are going to be your first step. I am not a doctor of any type but I have used Kratom for approximately 5 years it has helped me to stop drinking as an alcoholic, just stop taking prescription opioids, and the underlying pain from multiple back and knee surgeries over the course of approximately 20 years. If you could be a little more specific I can give you my own anecdotal advice if you would like.
Hey Mike I have degenerative disc diseases in my back and a bad knee and bad ankle. Came across kratom and have been trying to figure out which form would be best for pain. I’m not very old and my Dr has me on hydrocodone and tramadol for pain and not something I want to be taking all the time. What’s the best form to take??
I am 18 and also have degenerative back disease. I almost exclusively use red strains, sometimes green, from a local store; red bali, red borneo, red dragon, green elephant, both red and green maeng da. I recently got interested in opms, which the store sells for a very similar price, but it does not have color named. I have been using the malay “special reserve” and it is working wonderfully for the pain. I am on about 6 grams right now and feel significantly less pain than normal, I have been getting a bit more shaky on this opms so I do believe it is stronger than average kratom. In conclusion, red strain/opms, try your best not to let tolerance build, but ultimately the thing that has helped the most with my back pain has been core strength training. I love climbing as something both fun to do and good for me physically and mentally, I use kratom sometimes to be able to go do just that. Just imo because I know your position
Red Bali helps for pain really well
I too am an alcoholic. I’m looking for the right strain and dosage to get through my day without wanting alcohol, feeling crabby, stressed, and after work to relax. Thanks if you could give advice.
Hi can u tell me which one to use for Suboxone withdraw
I myself have been taking Suboxone for 7 yrs I now use Kratom opms MaenG DA silver I take around 6 through out the day and also take couple doses of the powder of the red leaf and so far it’s working Suboxone is a tough thing to get off More so then opioids so hopefully this helps you that been my experience with Kratom
Jenifer,
I was on methadone for 3.5 years 80mg a day. I used kratom to get off and today is 40 days clean off that junk. I also have lower back pain from herniated discs. I used mang da up until recently where I heard people saying they had great success mixing a red and white or green vein, but I digress I had to take what I initially thought was a very large dose of 10 grams and come to find out that’s moderate from what I’ve read. With anything start smaller for safety and nausea reasons like 5 or 6 grams on an empty stomach, that is crucial you should start to feel the effects within 30 minutes. If in an hour you need more than take more. Also and this is off the topic if you can get some GABApentin that’s what really helped me in the beginning and through the harshest parts of withdrawal. When we are withdrawaling our brains go into fight or flight mode with neurons firing like a Tommy gun. Well gabapentin calms the brain it’s been a godsend. A couple of sleepless nights and a little restless legs (that were later both fixed by introducing kratom) has made this ol’ junkies recovery a walk in the park. Wish I knew what I know now when I was using heroin and never made the transition to methadone. But I wasn’t ready then I had to OD and die twice to get my shit straight…..
Which did you use?
Online or local smoke shop
Hello I live in south Louisiana and they have started selling Kratom in the truck stops/gas stations around here so you might be able to find some at your local gas station or check out their website and have it sent right too ur house
show up as WHAT on a drug test?
Doesn’t show up and had a 10 panel test performed!
Some drug tests DO test for Kratom. Just over a year ago my standard drug test under pain contract caught Kratom. Depends what facility they do the testing at.
What did pain doc say about it if anything?
I’m an investigator in the private sector and there is a drug test that Kratom can be identified. However it is rarely used and being legal, I would have no idea how an employer, police, etc. would be able to say anything negative or do anything because of its use.
Nothing…it is a tea leaf not a drug.
The best for pain relief without the boost of energy is Red Borneo. For pain with energy Red Maeng Da
Ok. Ok. I got some bullshitbkratom apparently. I took 3000 mill and felt NO PAIN RELIEF at ALL. I WAS horribly moody and angry and full of indigestion leading finally to spending hours in the cammode. Really nice first experience. NOT! I purchased Nae the type that everyone is recommending. Krave Botanicals spelled with a k is the maker of this capsuled form of Kratom. I feel like it should be called scrotum because that’s about how much good it did me. Any suggestions? I paid 45 bucks 150 tabs and it’s going back to the store. Pronto. Where are all the other people who don’t like this product? It can’t be only me?!
Tee Bach, I’m so sorry! You were absolutely ripped off. Look into reputable vendors on Facebook first. Never buy from a head shop or vendor without first looking into reviews…I’m sure you’ve figured that out from your experience. I spent $45 and bought a sample pack to see what strains worked best and received 8-10 good size samples. I’m taking Kratom in place of Fentanyl, believe it or not and I couldn’t be more impressed with the pain relief I’m receiving!! It’s a miracle plant, it truly is. I hope you’re able to find a reputable source and get the relief you need soon!
Can I ask you what strain of kratom you are using I’m trying to get off fentynol I been using green maeg da and it doesn’t do anything I’m using both and before it kills me I need to find something that works please tell me your secret I’m taking 5g of fetty I want off this so bad it’s ruining my life
What strains & brand did you use???
Most of you guys here are just starting out. There are several things you need to know. Most of what is said about Kratom on the internet is just marketing BS.
1.) EVERY SINGLE batch of Kratom is different, no matter what color it is advertised as or what name it is sold under.
You CANNOT trust the name of the Kratom at all. They are not consistent in any way, shape or form. Those who say stuff like, “Maeng Da is great Kratom,” are either deceiving you on purpose, or they are ignorant and have no clue with they are talking about. Many suppliers name random batches of Kratom as Maeng Da, just for marketing purposes. There is no place called Maeng Da. It is just a marketing name, plain and simple. Some Kratom has spiked leaves and suppliers will call it Horned or Maeng Da. I have tried it all and there is no noticeable difference in potency. Just like all the others it can vary widely.
Almost all Kratom comes from Southeast Asia. The vast majority of it is from Indonesia. Borneo, Indo and Kali are all the exact same thing. Kalimantran is actually on the Island of Borneo, in Indonesia. Bali is another island over 600 miles south of Borneo. Much of the Kratom that comes from there is good, if it actually comes from there. I have only gotten one weak batch labeled as Bali.
You can waste a ton of money finding a good batch if the supplier does not offer a satisfaction guarantee or if they are not 100% trustworthy and consistent. Even then you may have to waste some money to find the one that works best for you.
Also, you can’t always trust the color of the vein in the Kratom (red, white, green, gold, etc). I am a “red” Kratom guy but one of the best I have ever had was a batch of white Bali. It had every good quality that Kratom can have. It was perfectly balanced, peaceful and energizing and also easy to relax and go to sleep after taking it. I have had other whites that cause anxiety and do not bring a lasting peace. That is the reason I usually go with Red. Reds can differ greatly as well. I had a Red Borneo recently that was like drinking coffee. It had all the characteristics of white Kratom.
So how do you choose and buy Kratom, if most of what is said about it is BS?
2.) Find a reliable supplier who either has each batch tested by real people before they sell it to the public (rare), or they allow returns and guarantee your satisfaction.
3.) Communicate with any potential supplier before you buy from them. Tell them you are looking for a regular supplier that you can trust. Ask them what their strongest strain is, CURRENTLY. If they won’t communicate with you or answer your questions, DON”T buy from them.
4.) Research the suppliers name and look for honest reviews. Keep in mind they can fake reviews and make their own, even on sites that are not theirs. NEVER trust reviews on a suppliers site about their Kratom. Use common sense. They either make those up or only post the positive ones. They can easily erase any negative reviews.
Why go to all this trouble? Because MANY batches of Kratom are weak and others complete crap. It is not made in a laboratory. It is usually picked from wild trees. It depends on the time of year it was picked, the age of trees, how it is dried, how old it is, how it is stored, as well as other factors. Some suppliers, who have a lot of business, will sell weak Kratom just to get rid of it. If you complain, they will tell you to try a different kind, “because some strains work better for some individuals.” That is true, but often it is just a very weak batch and they don’t want to throw it away. I stay away from people with tons of strains. I just don’t believe they can test that many. They are not disposing of weak batches. The just give it different names and sell it anyway.
IF you can find someone who has their batches tested BEFORE they sell them, it is worth paying a little more. I mostly buy from DG Botanicals because he has every batch tested by users, BEFORE he buys large quantities of that exact batch and sells to the public. He occasionally gets a batch that is on the weak side and sells it for a very cheap price. His cheap stuff is the quality of many suppliers normal stuff. Every batch I have bought from DG has been great for me except for one, and in that case I believe it was my body chemistry. I have tried at least 8 from DG and two of his standard strains work for me better than his premium strains. His Red Indo and White Bali have been the best for me. Others swear by his premium strains.
I am not DG and I don’t know him personally. This is not a plug for him. I am sure there are other reliable suppliers. I have tried quite a few and got tired of throwing away Kratom so I am much more careful now. I will no longer buy from anyone other than DG, who does not offer a guarantee.
You are taking way too much. Less is more with This .
It’s not like an opiate were you just take more to get high.
I’m not sure if you’ll have any allergies to kratom, try a very small amount to see. And no it doesn’t show up on drug tests as kratom is alkaloid based, and drug tests don’t read for alkaloids.
All opiates are alkaloids. Yes, drug tests screen for specific target alkaloids. Yes, there is a specific test for Kratom, and no it is not commonly included on drug panels – at least not for now.
Cocaine is an alkaloid. So, yes. It does.
Just took a 14 panel drug test for probation and ive taken kratom every day since Monday and I passed
The only thing this comment section has me hoping for is WWIII combined with the resurfacing of the bubonic plague to wipe out all you judgmental self-entitled twats. Kratom is a miracle for people and saves lives.
Looking for something for chronic pain, depression and exhaustion. I don’t want to get high, I just want to feel better. Any suggestions? And then maybe is there a different type to help me fall and stay asleep without feeling groggy? Thanks for any info!!
This is exactly the same as what im looking for. I hope someone experienced answers, thanks in advance!
Cindy, kratom just rocks!!!
I have severe back pain due to several surgeries which includes my entire spine fused. Kratom is a life saver for me and made withdrawal from hydrocodone a piece if cake. I live kratom, I have great energy and my mood is awesome
What strand did you used?
What kind do you take?
What strain was best for ur back pain? Did u mix like one during day one at night? Trying to no longer need my Drs prescription meds
You are ridiculous! Is there anything on your body that doesn’t hurt? Allergies? The fear of hurting YOIRSELF by taking Kratom? What a whack job?! I bet you live alone with 2 cats. But it was fun to read your post. Hope you f8nd your way out of your own prison. In the meantime rolling around in your own misery is a loney life. Fear will eat you alive and prevent you from living. Don’t let it!
Which one do you take?
I can’t speak for anything that would treat a chronic condition, and I’m a kratom newbie, but I took a 5g dose last night of white maeng da. I had never taken kratom before, so I didn’t know what to expect. I gotta say that was the most restful, peaceful sleep I’ve had in a long time. Almost no grogginess the next morning, felt very refreshed. As I understand it one can build up a tolerance to kratom, so obviously it’s not something you would want to take every night. But I am just blown away at how soundly I slept.
If you take enough of it, you’ll have a hangover from it the next day and even may feel irritable. It’s definitely a nice buzz, but it is a buzz; and like most buzzes, it’s not exactly physically healthy (for instance, like opiates, it causes constipation). I’ve taken it around 100 times, most times in Southeast Asia but also several times in the US in powder form.
I recommend the Red Bali because it’s great for pain killing attributes. I also like the Green blends… Maeng Da is good to be relaxed but not too drowsy.
Have you tried CBD? That has been the best avenue without the “euphoria” in my experience. Look me up on FB.
You are taking way too much. Less is more with This .
It’s not like an opiate were you just take more to get high
This is not a CBD thread,
You are aware of that right?
Red bali….I noticed it was a nice mood elevator and it decreased my back pain by about 50%. Did not feel high. About 3 grams in a cup of water. Took about 30 mins or so before I felt the affects
Red bali is rock for your back pain. It’ll not help you in come out from depression but at some point it’ll makes you a calm and help you in to get a good sleep .
Been using for years on probation does not show up on drug test
Think “green for go” and “red for stop” and get a sample pack to experiment. If you do some research, you will find that the different vein colors have varying effects of sedation versus stimulation and pain relief/euphoria/anxiety reduction and combinations thereof. Since everyone’s physiology and symptoms differ, you may need to try different combinations. Keep trying until you land on what works for you. This supplement can serve as an effective stimulant, mood elevator, sleep aid and more.
But try to use it in moderation and only as needed. For longer term, daily use, there are a variety of other amino acids, supplements and vitamins that can help depression, CFS, anhedonia, opiate withdrawal etc. Try Ayurveda, TCM, and functional/integrative medicine information sources to educate yourself.
Good luck.
White vein Thai saved my life, no more booze, no more opiates. Literally changed me in my 30’s to a better person.
I’ve been taking All strains for some time now. Red Vein is for pain. Green Vein is for Energy and White is for Night Night! It Really matters what Brand! Best ones I’ve found are Urbin Ice and Choice! I change up all the time so It keeps working. Your not going to get High on any of them.
I here ya-
Big Pharma my brother- they want to extract the alkaloids, make prescription pharmaceuticals, charge a small fortune for “new, safer pain meds, antidepressants, etc. make a few more billion dollars. Then, when the Patton runs out, lobby the FDA to push the DEA to reschedule it all and give the docs hell if they write a prescription for it. Never make me believe anything different. It’s all bullshit. It’s ashme that there are so many dumbass, uninformed waterheads out there agreeing with, and pushing shit they know absolutely nothing about.
AGREED!!! Kratom allows me to enjoy life again, thank God
What kind did you get?? I have back pain, sleepless nights and low energy
I totally agree I absolutely LOVE kratom. It’s a life saver! It feels great and does what it’s supposed to everytime. Although I don’t condone the name calling… They sound very uneducated and unstruggled. Like people who don’t like a politician but know 0% about them…
I LOVE KRATOM, I RECOMMEND TO EVERYONE!!!!🖤❤️💜💙💚💛❤️
I love you! So much whining and sniveling going on here. Damn. Is it just me, or does everybody also seems to be Addicts on a very advanced level…I bet 90% of this stuff is all psychosomatic!
God speed my courageous writer! Loved it.
Tee you clearly have never suffered from an addiction or you would keep comments like that to yourself,I am a recovering heroin addict and I know how desperate and damaged it leaves people,I find you’re uneducated comment offensive,any addict on this site trying to help themselves should be praised for trying to find there own way out of one of the deepest darkest holes they could find themselves in,I hope you never find yourself in that position and if you do I hope when looking for help you find someone with more empathy than you have shown
Regard,s P
Preach it Paul. It is very easy to judge when you have never been affected by such a life altering disease.
I completely agree with Paul. I didn’t start using Kratom for addiction, but my best friend did after two back surgeries and six months on heavy strong opioids. She began taking white vein Kratom for pain and was off all narcotics within one week and hasn’t used one since. I began using Kratom four years ago after I had my thyroid removed because of cancer. I was sleeping 18-20 hours a day and had horrible joint pain. Then, because of hypothyroidism depleting my calcium, I broke my ankle and shredded every ligament and was given opiates for pain. After three months on them I decided to try red vein Kratom. My pain was immediately gone. I tried green strains for energy and was once again a functional human being. I’ve had three surgeries since my thyroid removal, all due to thyroid disease, (heart ablation, hysterectomy, and gallbladder removal), and only used narcotic pain medicine for the 2-3 days in the hospital, then I began my red Kratom and was fine. Kratom has been the ONLY thing, (after eight doctors and $40,000 in doctor visits, lab work, medicine, and supplements to try and feel better) that has given me back some quality of life. I know two people who were heroin addicts; one for two years and one for eight years who are now clean because of Kratom. It acts on the opioid pain receptors in the brain like opiates do but without the addiction or chance of overdose and death. It is 100% safe. There have been ZERO deaths attributed to Kratom. The six people who died who had Kratom in their system also had high levels of either Xanax or another strong drug.
Unless you’ve been in a situation where you’re desperate for help and you’ve found that Kratom saved you, don’t make stupid comments about things you know nothing about.
Many conditions are physical as well as psychosomatic. If you feel something is wrong with your body, so does your mind. There is a powerful connection. Even if someone’s problems are “in their head” it does not make it any less real to the person experiencing it.
A problem is a problem; as people we usually seek out a way to solve them!
I have no experience with Kratom, just what I’ve read, and have seen on TV.
I too have a couple chronic health issues, and am seeking better management. I wish any and all sufferers all the best, and thank you for sharing your stories, and thank you to those that are always willing to help others through their struggles!!
Go fuck yourself. Yeah there are a lot of addicts here. This is a tool we can use to get healthy and be happy. Go to another corner of the internet and let us have this one.
You are an evil spirit. I hope you have a better day . You should tried love it outweighs the hate you’re spewing
No Needs for Rudeness to Others for asking a question.
Yeah, Boy!! Livin’ in the USA!! Insurance won’t pay for mental health. Insurance won’t pay for physical therapy. But they’ll put you on opioid pain killers and then make you pee in a cup for a $3000 drug test every three months. Get you addicted and then you’re a slave. This is the only “civilized” country in the world that won’t provide decent health care for its citizens. I’ve been on pain meds for ten years for severe chronic back pain, degenerative disc disease, spondylithesis, nerve damage, etc etc etc. now I can’t even get an appt with a pain specialist. Thank GOD I found kratom or I don’t know what I’d do! Certainly wouldn’t be working and being a productive member of society.
Hell yes!
Omg I agree they won’t help you fix your problems but also don’t want us taking meds. Doctors have way to many patients these days and they are not able to give the care they should be giving. Because there are people who abuse it there are many more people who needs the help. We can bring a damn heroin addict back to life so they are free to use with no worries but we can’t help productive people who work jobs and have real pain. We are all cut off because of the bad apples so therefore they better expect we will be going to other things because THE PAIN IS REAL AND I DO THAT OR I WANNA HURT MYSELF I hurt so bad!
Don’t even judge an addict. It’s so easy to fall into addiction…It can happen to the best of us! Kratom is for opiate withdrawal too…and everyone deserves another chance.
Exactly! I was a heavy addict and shooting unbelievable amounts of opiates. Until I went to prison. That was the best thing that ever happened to me. Ive been completely sober for over 9 years. I did aweful things to people I love to support my addiction. Thank God they all gave me a second chance, now life us better than I could’ve imagined. Everyone deserves a second chance!!
Which one
I think what tt meant was that there is help for addicts who abuse the system but the rest of us have no help. I have two siblings who suffer from addiction and they’ve had more help than I have almost on my whole life from the system . I work every single day since I was a teen to support myself with barely any help , “normal” people are left to fend for ourselves even when we are in pain and choose not to go the wrong way. We deserve the same help as anyone troubled! Addiction is sad and props to whoever over comes it but no one deserves to be judged. Just because someone is struggling with addiction shouldn’t give them priority over the rest of us who struggle. I’m on here to find a strain for pain as I was in an accident and still trying to work want to get back into the gym my body is hurting so bad life sucks for me. That’s why I’m here
Oh Paul…you know nothing of which you speak.
Clearly you don’t know an Addict when you see one (or read one in this case.) I could whine and whine and whine and act like a Victim or a recovering heroine addict, but I chose to work from a positive place and focus on where I’m going instead of festering and rotting in the past. It makes it so much harder on yourself and everyone around you. Why is it so necessary to list all the prescriptions by name and dosage along with diagnosis (personal shit we don’t need to hear about) just to make yourself sound more VALID. It’s like the game of OneUpManship. Like a competition for who has the most pain and suffering. Go to a meeting! Truly this is not the forum for all this feeling sorry for yourself and each other. Empathy is wonderful. Sympathy and pity is bullshit.
Btw…
Educated? Yes, I am. Very.
This is so true!!!
This is EXCATLY HOW I feel. I won’t apologize for finding my relief elsewhere. Without having discovered this miracle (kratom) I probably would have already hurt myself. My pain was so bad I didn’t want to live anymore.
Amen!!! I’ve been on opioid pain killers for 10 years because of severe back issues. I’ve had a fusion and disc replacement in 2007 and I’m still in pain. The last 4 years I’ve been bedridden and in a wheelchair because Insurance was fine with me taking 150mgs a day of pain meds, but not approving the surgeries I needed. Finally a special person paid for both surgeries to fuse my si joints and that pain is gone, but my lower back pain keeps getting worse. I wanted off my pain meds and I’ve been completely off for 30 days today. I started taking a mixture of a red and green strain of Kratom just 3 days ago. No pain, my withdrawal symptoms that I was still experiencing because I’d been on opioids for 10 years are gone, and I’m finally sleeping for 6 straight hours at a time, instead of 2-3 because I’ve been taking another strain of Kratom to help me sleep. I don’t even spend what I spent on 1 of my pain meds for the Kratom I need and it lasts me over a month. I’m finally living and not just existing in bed day after day.
That’s a great success story. I’m glad to see things working out for you.
Lisa S, what blends are u using & where do u get them from? I’m bedridden also & stuck on pain meds. Just started Kratom today, but would love advice by someone who’s been there!
I feel your pain. I have been taking opioids for 30 years for pain in spine cervical lombar. I found this through a movie. Thankfully I hope i can pay out of pocket so I can get off these life changing opioids. I hope you do well I read your post and almost cryied knowing what you are going through. I hope it keeps working for you. I reed that you have to change it around so your brain dose not get used to it and it becomes ineffective so keep changing the red white and green by mixing so you trix your brain.
Good luckLisa
What strains do you take for your pain and for sleep?
I agree..I’m going thru opioid withdrawal for 4 days now..I took kramton for the first time about an hour ago…my withdrawal symptoms are gone..I am able to function..thank god..
CBD can also help with withdrawals and pain.
I tried it and it didn’t help a bit
That’s amazing Lisa! AMEN! I have similar issues as you. What strains are you using during the day/night to find relief from the aforementioned? Thanks in advance for your reply. I’ve been using Kratom flr the past week. It’s helping me so much, beyond words!
You are absoulutly right ive been on pain meds. For about a year and just last week my doctor says he needs to cut me because of regulations! Unbeliveable because they got caught passing out to ppl who don’t need them so ppl like us have to suffer! B.s….unfortunatly they are trying to get there hands on kratom too smmfh buy them will you can…good luck
Big mistake girl they find any reason they can to take them away from you. i called my doctor a —-y for not standing up to his rights as a doctor. this all sucks so bad if they take it away from me its the end of me. I could not pay for leaves and need insurance to pay for opioids. What is the country doing/
Which blend do you take? I have 3 bulging discs with spurs in my neck, 2 slipped discs in my back, pinched nerve in my shoulder, fibromyalgia. I’m in constant pain, I take pain meds and muscle relaxers but I don’t like how they make me feel like I’m high as hell. I’ve been taking the ex they sale here, but I’m wondering if a different blend would be better.
I take Kratom daily for herniated discs in my back I have tried many different strains the best one’s in my opinion is Red Bali, Red Thai, Red Horn. My absolute favorite is red thai great pain reliever, nice mood uplifting, more stimulating that the previous two I mentioned but for me it’s been a godsend! Hope this helps
Which kind works the best for pain with some energy? Ive had 3 back surgeries and am currently winging myself off of methadone. I know its horrible to say but i like the way the methadone takes the pain away and makes me feel.
Mang Da is the best for pain and energy
Nicole: Why would you think it’s “horrible” to like not being in pain and feeling good? I’ve been on methadone for over 20 years, tried to get off it several times, but failed. Now I have to take thyroxine too, because I became hypothyroid during my last attempt to detoxify off methadone, which I did too fast. It’s just a metabolic disorder, not a moral failing, and if it makes you feel better, that means it’s working!
I took some Bali Red kratom yesterday, and barely felt it, so tonight I took a heaping teaspoon, and some kava kava too, which is making me feel better. I’ve been on 40mg. of methadone for 20 years, so that likely partially blocks some of the effect of kratom. I use medicinal cannabis too, including a strain that doesn’t get you stoned, which I got for my dog’s use, but I like it too.
which strain are you using? i also experience chronic back pain??
Hi really hoping to get my mom some serious help!!! She’s detoxed from pain pills but because of her 7 herniated disc in her back and 4 ruptured disc in her neck she still need help with pain. I would really appreciate some input on which strain you used and what it did for you and to you. Thank you for your help! Anyone please ! It’s hard to see her like this.
what sprain do you take?
I love you! So much whining and sniveling going on here. Damn. Is it just me, or does everybody also seems to be Addicts on a very advanced level…I bet 90% of this stuff is all psychosomatic!
God speed my courageous writer! Loved it.
Psychosomatic slipped discs, back surgeries, car accidents? The pain these cause? Wanting something besides lying in bed day after day? Or the ‘advanced addicts that were given strong painkillers and thats it? No actual treatment? Then had that yanked away or are otherwise trying to find alternatives?
I can personally make it to the restroom myself if i crawl and dont mind it taking about 45 min round trip. So no right to snivel here. So which are you refering to? Or are you just so bad off that putting down others in a way that doesnt even make sense the only way to feel good about yourself?
Amy, while there are 5 car accidents every minute I find it hard to believe that everyone here has such horrendous incapacitating pain. I take my hat off to those people who offer their strength through positive, hopeful solution oriented verbiage. This feels like a bitchfest gone whimpy. I have been in horrible horseback riding accidents that left me with permanent injuries. Yep PERMANENT. I DONT TAKE ANY PILLS, SMOKE POT, SHOOT HERIONE OR GUSTLE METHADONE. I cry alot though. But not on websites and not while I am busy running my two small businesses.
I’m just saying…
Sadly Kratom didn’t work at all for me. Made me feel like shit. Like a BIGGER MORE TOXIC bitch than I was before. Maybe a reaction with my serotonin? Bummer
What a judgemental horrible piece of work you are.You don’t seem to realise that you are the one who sounds miles out of place here.If you have such a problem with people suffering from addiction,you should have the basic intelligence to realise this is the last place you should be posting.
You sound like you would be much more at home on an NRA site or some fundamentalist right wing religious site.People are using Kratom to try and get their lives together,which is commendable,whilst you are judging people for that on a Kratom discussion?
Real nasty piece of work if your posts are anything to go by.
Then get off rhe kratom site and leave it to those of us willing to give positive advice and support and quit putting down ppl who are trying to better themselves and their lives
Then why are you on here? Move on because there are plenty of people who have been saved by this and we don’t need someone on here b****’s in that everybody is a whimp.
My God, I am so happy for you.
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Hi guys! I’ve learned a lot reading all these comments, but I do have a few questions.
Does anyone have experience with the store cbd/kratom, how good their product is?
Has anyone noticed any sexual side effects, good or bad, with any particular strain? I tend to have very low lebido and wondering if any of the strains would hurt or help that.
Do you guys worry about the liver effects of kratom? Is there anything that can be done to offset that? My husband has, quite literally, 24-7 migraines and uses cbd on decent days, kratom on bad days. However, due to previous alcohol abuse, his liver is already pretty messed up and it scares me what I’ve read about kratom and liver function.
How much of the red horn is safe to take in a day generally? Like would it be safe to take 5 capsules and then another five twelve hours later?
Thank you for any insight!
i had side effects from kratom that made my woman happier. win win
What kind did you take?
The green maedi da jumbo capsules.
I have the capsules too. The dosage on the bag says 8 at a time. Seems like too much. I tske 2 at a time and it seems to make me sleepy and dragging butt. I have back pain and would love to feel uplifted and energetic. For now, i would love not take pain pills but yet i want to feel like a human being. Whats your opinion?
Find me onFacebook. I will help you andyour hubs with migrains and cbd.
Yes, it does help drive and enhances sex and orgasm.
I have taken kratom I am just doing research. Have your husband look into getting his daith pierced! I got mine done in February and I have only had 3 migraines and they were hangovers!
When I drink the liquid kratom o.p.m.s it really boosts my sex drive..its a lil pricey tho
Hi all – I am new to the kratom experience, so please excuse my ignorance in asking probably the same damn questions everyone else did. I am detoxing (AGAIN) off a variety of opioids (methadone, dilaudid, vicodin, oxycontin, morphine, etc…3 surgeries in 3 years). Opioids for me not only relieved pain, but reduced my social anxiety, made me bubbly and friendly. IS there a strain that will do the same (reduce pain and reduce anxiety), while also perhaps giving at least a small amount of the “high” effect that some of the opioids create? Also, the only places that sell kratom near me are head shops…not sure if those versions of Kratom are good quality or not. Thanks for the info.
Aaron, from what I’ve read so far Bali Kratom is the most opiate-like strain, particularly the red one. I haven’t tried straight Bali myself as I’m kinda new as well. Most vendors sell this strain so a quick search for Kratom vendors reddit should help you find a good vendor. Prices are a lot cheaper online and the quality of headshop Kratom is questionable. As you experiment more you’ll find the right dose and strains that work for you.
Aaron;
Like you, I am a pain patient. I was on Dilaudid, Methadone, MS Contin and Valium. I also have ADD and was taking Vyvanse and Adderal. A hella cocktail to be sure. I had the exact same experience as you. I got off methadone a year ago by using Levorphanol. This is a very old opiate that has been re-approved for use. I have used white, green and red. The red is what you’re looking for, the Red Bali. I am off ALL pharmaceuticals now. My ADD is better, my pain ( I have CRPS. It’s said to be the single most painful disease known to man, worse than cancer, amputations and natural childbirth.) is NEARLY UNDECTABLE. If this stuff can kill what I feel, and I was in line for a dilaudid pump to be implanted- it will help you. I also have PTSD, panic anxiety disorder and major depression. I have gone from being an absolute wreck to feeling better than I have in YEARS, all because of Kratom. Should you decide to take it, please put in a call to Congress like I did and tell them that if they take Kratom off the market you will vote them OUT. Leave it to the frigging government to try to make a lead illegal. ((Sighs in disgust)) Try this stuff. Come off the drugs COLD TURKEY, the Kratom will keep you from being sick. Trust me, I know. Oh, I was on Suboxone as well, and I felt nothing. No sweats, running to the bathroom ever five minutes, long nights “kicking the sheets”- basically what we all live in fear of when enslaved by pharmaceutical drugs. One last piece of advice: buy in bulk. I have found kilos for about 70.00-120.00. It’s ruinously expensive to buy a little at a time. A kilo should last you a month to two months depending on how much to take. WAAY cheaper than scrambling for meds and being afraid all the time! Good health is around the corner…Lori Z Mcintosh
oh poor poor you… :s
What kind of sadist are you???
GTFOH if you’re going to be such a bitch. You likely wouldn’t last one day with severe chronic pain symptoms without crying your way into an ED. Go back to Facebook and your selfies with 100 filters.
Why are you even here? Let the adults in the room continue this conversation. Say hi to your Mom for me.
Tracey thank You for putting dumbass i her place, some people just dont know any other way of life other than tha ass they are. love you and wish you well !!!
I’ve had a very similar experience. I also was on MS Continued and Methylphenidate. I suffer from a neurological disorder Neurofibromatosis. I have many tumors in my body and have had 14 surgeries over the last 25 years. With the Red Bali I no longer need and opiate pain meds. Kratom has saved my life. If it’s made illegal I don’t know what I’ll do.
You should stock up now before it gets banned!
Thanks, Lori. Can you recommend a good website and a good strain to try for this type of relief?
WTF?! While I’m certainly glad Kratom helped you…. COME THE FUCK ON! People like you are the REASON the FDA wants a ban in Kratom! Because of you people “looking for a buz” and I’m very sorry you have a pain disease but DONT EVER say it’s more painful than Cancer… or anything else you HAVENT had! It’s disgusting that those of us who have been unfortunate enough to live in debilitating chronic pain have to even be going through all the BS hoops we are because SOME PEOPLE aren’t taking their pain medicine AS DIRECTED! I’m in debilitating pain every day, and though medicine has NEVER taken my pain away.. it helped keep the edge off enough to function.. I NEVER ABUSED MY MEDS…. but because of people like you we have to think about so much more now than we should. Listen, and this is for the seeker you were giving such great advice to. Kratom is to help people have a quality of life NOT TO FUEL ADDICTS!! People like you are part of the reason we are now FIGHTING to keep Kratom legal!! GO TO REHAB…. get your fucking heads straight first.. then if Kratom is something that helps your pain and anxiety and whatever else your DOCTOR says you have going on and he sees that Kratom is useful then by all means but PLEASE, PLEASE, for the love of God…. DONT post BS like and invite Addicts to take Kratom to GET HIGH….. that’s NOT Kratom purpose in this world… it’s a Godsend for those of us who need it to enjoy life…. not “get high”…. Glad your off all that shit, I would get a second opinion.
You are no one to judge anyone’s pain. Your situation is your Revelyn what is relevant is the pain each person feels in a minute to win and the kids to off of drugs it’s a win-win chill or pay the pharmaceutical company judge not least yee be judged
Damn auto correct on our keyboards! Wanna try that again? Ya’ll spun and write like you are high as f%-+-.
I think People were asking what is most like opiod use because they are trying to stop taking opioids, trying to “get their head straight.” Sometimes going to rehab is not easy especially for single parents. Good people become addicted to substances, good people get terrible sickness and disease, good people make big mistakes in their life. Everyone deserves to have a better quality of life regardless of their life choices or circumstances. Your post made me cringe it was so nasty. Negativity breads internally within you and can affect your health.
So very well said & I 2nd that! I cringed as well… even when I read it again the 2nd time. This isn’t the forum for judgements but rather necessary Q&A. All of us are looking to improve our quality of life. I’m sick of being in pain every day when I wake up, all through the day and when my head hits the pillow as well. In addition, I am “seeking” Kratom because I am sick to death of doctors, big pharma, chasing pain meds so I can have a break from constant agony. Can cetlrtain people here stfu judging others and keep the convo Q&A driven. I would give my left arm for something, anything that keeps me from suffering in agony every day for the rest of my life and from using street drugs again. Stereotypical thinking about addiction is such an odious position.. not well thought out I might add. Addiction is an illness too, complete with accompanying illness such as chronic depression, anxiety, mania and that’s just a quick mental health blurp. If you want to be angry about addiction, then take your complaints right to the FDA and Government where you’ll find zero movements for real relief such as long term individual therapy or God forbid loving support. Society does not encourage or support therapeutic healing for addicts when that’s The most effective. It doesn’t make any sense. The prison system is full of broken people with broken lives and broken families. I’d wager that kratom would be very helpful in change with progress to improve quality of life as a key. I personally suffer with both pain and addiction so your Damn right I want healthier alternatives. And you best believe that we are equal and I am equally as entitled to relief from pain as you or the next. At what point does society finally evolve from blaming addicts. Stop pointing the finger and instead be supportive of each individuals entitlement and journey to relief. Might wanna get some therapy for that projecting or at least address it before looking down your nose. You think of yourself more highly than you ought Shanna. Does it ever occur to you that some addicts are self-medicating because they can’t get help through doctors to manage their pain? I’ve probably got another 30 years left alive, God willing, and I will be damned if I shut up or stand down over being able to get the same treatment for moderate to severe pain as everyone else suffering. It doesn’t make any sense. My doctor told me I don’t want narcotics because they’re addictive, I told him horrible pain is addicted to me, so maybe I do. On a lighter note, I wish each and every one of you and your loved ones a healthy, pain free journey. Best of luck!
Amen! I can relate. Good words chosen.
You seem like a cunt. There’s nothing wrong with getting high. Cannabis, kratom, alcohol. There’s no reason any one of those should be more socially acceptable than the other as far as having a good time goes, but kratom and cannabis have incredible medical benefits and to attempt to deny those to people is fucking heinous.
You are so right! Alcohol kills people everyday and many innocent people! People don’t die from smoking pot but alcohol is legal and pots not. The world is INSANE!
There are so many people turning to these options because there are no other options for people who are truly hurting everyday. I would rather smoke pot or take Kratom then wanting to actually kill myself because my life is taken over by pain and my kid wants his mom back! So fuck every negative insulting person on here who doesn’t know someone else’s story.
You are right!
Thank you Shanna. My life has been pure hell for the last 3 years suffering with RA, Fibromyalgia, migraines, which I had already completely cold Turkey got myself off pain medication. Then…I got sick. With the worst pain in my life. It was worse than childbirth pain. And it has been compared to cancer pain. I have pancreatic duct disconnection syndrome, with chronic pancreatitis. I have wanted to die several times over. I was in and out of hospitals every 2-3 weeks on IV medications and once home, having to get off the pain meds and still be in excruciating pain. I am now preparing to have part of my pancreas and spleen removed. They have already taken my gallbladder and gone in by scope several times. It wasnt until I found the kratom that just took the edge off from the pain, that I actually felt like I was going to make it through all of this. Kratom is a miracle for those of us that truly suffer. It’s not for getting high. If people want to get high, go find your crap on the streets like everyone else. That way it doesnt effect those of us that are trying to live our lives like normal people.
Apparently it does NOT work on anger issues…
Thats funny
That WAS funny.
Stop apologizing to your captors while condemning your fellow sufferers. NO ONE has the right to tell anyone how severe their pain is and NO ONE should be appeased for regulating my life! Who the fuck gave you that right! We accept that the DEA IS NOW AN UNELECTED, LEGISLATIVE BODY! (This agency was created by the sociopath Richard Nixon to combat–not drugs–but Vietnam war protesters, who also happen to use drugs to escape the madness (this comes from H.R. Haldermann’s (Nixon White House Chief of Staff) memoir, where he states that “you can’t arrest someone from being against the war but you could for drugs. [It was perceived that] Blacks used heroin and Whites used marijuana.” Right or wrong, both drugs were classified as Schedule I – no medical use or research allowed. So, even you are a mainstream asshole, read the stuff that MAINSTREAM has published!
Love your tenacity. Had someone been as bold as you on my side I probably would have never gotten mentally addicted to opioids to begin with. Many many melanoma cancer surgeries later I finally made the choice to go off them and my dr put me on suboxone. Was on that for a year and weened off. Since I’ve been off of everything now for only 4 mo I’m relearning who I am. Opioids almost took my life and nobody knew. I was a silent addict I guess you could say. I bought a bottle of the green mae da (spelling) and have been taking 3 capsules in the morning and 3 in the afternoon. The bottle doesn’t come with directions so I’m kimda guessing at what to take. Mornings are the worst for me. My body aches and I have zero energy since being off everything. I’m a believer in Kratom as I’ve noticed about 30 minutes into taking them I don’t feel sooo tired and achey.
Do you know how much a person can take to get through the day without the “high” people are wanting. That very thinking of wanting the buzz is where addiction starts. I know bc I’ve been there. I just want my former life back before opioids almost took it.
Thank you and have a Blessed day.
Shanna I completely agree. I was thinking the same thing as I scrolled. I’m currently house bound almost bedridden. I’ve been on meds for years and like you, they don’t end the pain and honestly I’m tired of them and the bullshit we now have to deal with. I’ve been investigating kratom. Sadly my main concern is starting to use it, having it work, and then it gets banned or they make it’s components into a controlled pharmaceutacil. Nonetheless,, I may try. Can you give me info on a reputable seller, it’s my next big concern
What about the addicts who are trying Kratom to get their lives together or those who have been successful and can offer advice?
I think most addicts trying Kratom are doing it to stop their addiction,and people like you think you have the right to judge but trust me,much as you like to think that’s the case,you’re the one who sounds like you’re getting a buzz from something which makes you talk nonsense.
Thank you so much for your post. I am an opiate addict who has been on 2 mg of suboxone a day for 7 years. Kaiser has been unable to fill my script due to back order issues and even at a low dose, i have had withdrawal symptoms that leave me painfully uncomfortable..especially high blood pressure. My son recommended kratom and it’s like a miracle for me. I am so tired of being a slave to the pharmaceutical companies and being treated like a criminal when I ask for my script to be filled on time. I have no withdrawal symptoms ad my bp is 120/80. However, I’m scared to get off suboxone only because I never want to use opiates again and it’s been a marvelous insurance policy at low doses….but as i said, I’m tired of being beholden to pharmaceutical/insurance companies. Any thoughts? btw, i, too, started out as a pain patient who ended up on the nightmarish road to physical/emotional dependence. Thanks again. Nancy K>
Hi Nancy I’m going thru the exact same thing 2mg for years I’m scared to withdrawal also. Please keep me updated on how the kratom is working for you. I started taking the tables today.
What i did to get off Suboxone (11 year on subs) is the following- micro dosed down to 1/2 mg maybe smaller. You can do this at 2mg as well. You may call just need to take a bit more kratom at first. I purchased a kilo of red Hulu, or red Borneo, or even red meng da. There are online stores that will do quarter kilos splits (check out mewe app too) don’t spend more then $120 with shipping btw.. there are amazing vendors out there. U can get kilos for $85 (shipping included)
Read about toss and wash or tea method. I do both. Tea while at work, toss and wash at home.
When you get your order. Start taking your kratom. Get a digital scale, if you don’t have one use a teaspoon. key word being TEASPOON… Find your sweet spot. (The right dosage amount for you) start with two teaspoons (That’s about 3.4 grams) Bare in mind your coming off a synthetic OPIOD, don’t feel discouraged. Your probably gonna take more at first, but the reality is less is more with kratom. When getting off opioids, you may need to stack your doses… Maybe a dose every 2-4 hours- listen to your body. You’ll know when it’s time to redose.
The idea here is to not think about the Suboxone anymore. The withdrawal from that garbage is absolutely horrible, but taking your kratom WILL help tremendously with the physical and psychological dependence issues to the Suboxone. Take less subs, by taking the kratom. Your gonna prob need kratom for a while, while you reprogram yourself– but when you’re ready, you can take less and less kratom, till you may only need it when you have a migraine or feel pain. This is what I did. I’ve been off subs for 4 months.
As of today I make tea the night before – typically 8 grams, and sip when I needed it throughout the day.. many times I have tea left over for the next day. You can totally get off subs with kratom.
Leafoffaith you just made my day! Same story line. I bought the Maedi da in capsule form jumbo. I’ve been taking 3 capsules about every 4 hours. Am I doing this right? Also should I stick with the green strand or move into another? So many people have so many answers. I like your idea and will follow you. Where do you purchase yours? Do they have a website.
Thank you so much.
This is a BEAUTIFUL freaking post. 38 year old mom of 3, taking Tramadol for the last 4 years for pain issues. I told myself I had had ENOUGH. It’s been 6 days off Tramadol and with the Kratom I feel like I am finally able to feel the sun on my back. I enjoy taking walks again…listening to music is meaningful again! 6 days in and while I am still feeling the effects of withdrawal, Kratom has saved my life and my family. Thank you for taking the time to write this lengthy post for everyone out there wanting their life back!!!!!!
I was on suboxone for 1 year. Drs do not even TRY to ween patients off of it as They are suppose to. I got on suboxone to help with opiate withdrawals. Started out on 8 mg..it was too strong so I then went to 1/2…over a 1 year period I slowwwwly went from 1/2 to 1/4. I even could skip one day between doses. Ppl don’t realize just HOW strong suboxone is. After my last crumb, I took Advil liquigels for pain and discomfort and Tylenol pm for sleep. Immodium for diarrhea. That pretty much kept my w/d symptoms at bay for myself. The hot and cold sweats were there but only lasted for about 1 week. B complex and b12 was what have me energy once again. I PROMISE you, there IS hope and you CAN do it!!! 😉😉🙏
Hi Lori!
My story is similar to yours. Off opiates and Kratom has saved my life but recently I’m not feeling pain relief, mood or energy I was feeling and I’m wondering if it’s bc the quality of the Kratom I received this last order was not as good. I have like 25 different strains but I like the green dragon and I always seem to want to go back to it. Today I tried green kali and it has helped some but I had to take 2 hefty teaspoons of it to work for me. Can you recommend a good vendor? Thx in advance for your reply.
Where do you order from Lori Z
I don’t see Red Bali.. Is it a combo of 2? I have RA & lost my insurance so although I can pay (barely) for my RA meds, I can’t afford the Rhumatologist appts to prescribe the meds! So I’m trying this!
Thank you so much for your comment it just keep giving me hope. Sadly I live in one of the 5 states that have made it illegal. I live in Arkansas. Please tell me you have some advice
Then get off rhe kratom site and leave it to those of us willing to give positive advice and support and quit putting down ppl who are trying to better themselves and their lives
Ashleigh Anne Weaver it may sound like a lot to go through but if you’re in pain it would be well worth it to drive to either of the bordering states of Louisiana or Missouri as kratom is legal in both those states.
I’m with you ..but I’m still not sure what strain to use…the part I’m getting confused with euphoria is the talking and good mood with energy part… someone please help me figure this out…thanks alot
Hey and wow! I really took away a feeling of hope after reading your post. I am red-hot-ripe for a double knew replacement and two new hips, but I’m too young and too nontrusting of doctors and their “medical” self-serving and always bias opinions about MY BODY! I know what I feel and don’t feel better than anyone else. I rode horses competitively for years. I broke both of my arms four times total and wretched my legs at their roots attempting to stay aboard my steeds as they took flight over 6 foot obstacles. I loved the thrill of cross country endurance racing, but it took a f#%&ing toll on my body. I take NOTHING that I can’t get over the counter. I don’t even have a doctor anymore. I fired everyone after a near death experience with prescription pills and vodka. I am on my own 100% and need direction. I have read this entire site but I’m still not sure what I should do. What I should get and where I go to get it. I picked you out of everybody to perhaps assist me with offering additional guidance. I need to feel positive, strong and motivated. Not high!
Thank you,
Tee
Tee, If I were you I would fire that doctor for giving you Vodka with your pills.
Because everyone knows you don’t mix that krapp less you’re trying to kill yourself. You’re so negative
So I am detoxing off of methadone and I have the indo white, will I also need the red and green ? Which ones? Also how much do I take of each like a capsule of each a day?
Try the Red Vein Bali
I’m new to the Kratom world. I’ve tried white Maeng Da which made me sleepy. I’m now going to try red Bali. I want pain relief, but also that happy feeling that comes when you do opiates, which I’ve been clean of for 34 months. Can someone give me some advice please. I’ve read alot of different articles and such and it seems each one says different things about the different strains. Help!😐
Green Malay and green maeng da got me off opiates and make me want to go in public big time. Just be sure to use a different strain here abs there to not build tolerance. And drink LOTS of water. Flushes out the Pharm toxins and helps you feel a lot better
Hey! Red Bali would be the strongest to come off of opiates. I use red Bali and maeng da. It gives a euphoric feel plus energy. Keep in mind it can take a week or two for your body to start reacting positively to the kratom, but till then, it’ll relieve your withdrawal issues. It took me about that long but now I get the euphoria everyday without taking opiates anymore! Also, a lot of smoke shops carry it and I don’t even have to order online. I use whole herbs brand. It’s best to switch off different strains every couple of weeks so u don’t get used to a particular strain. Hope this helps!
Hi, as long as you find a good supplier all strains with work with withdrawals. You probably have a higher tolerance to most things so I would suggest a white strain and full affects at 2 teaspoons every 4 hours. Do not exceed that it doesn’t make it stronger and you will vomit. Kwik botanicals is less expensive and a good quality. You need to start an account to access the Kratom. I suggest the green Thai. Type into the search and it will pull up. As you progress try to to take the Kratom less times every other day. It will take all withdrawals away. Good luck at a new life!
I myself am pretty happy with the s.nova and white lightning brands, and yes it’s just about great on moods, anxiety, and my opinion I’ve done the pain killers opiates, and I too had surgery on my knee three times in two weeks, and Im way better now.. my sensation is so much uplifting, not to say I didn’t have crutches, and Im running again. What a blessing….
I am writing this in an effort to help anybody that this information might naturally benefit. I have take kratom daily for 12 months (periodically before that starting about 10 years ago) and over the past year I have found myself more in control of my internal and external world than I ever have before. I was a heroin/cocaine addict (in Detroit) for a good 5 years. Not any kind of lightweight either, hell I remember spending $15,000+ on the crud in less than a month at my worst. While only revealing what I need to for the sake of perspective, I’m sure I committed far more obsurd acts in my addiction, aside from wasting large amounts of money. Long story made short I ended up on Suboxone for about 800 fucking days. I include the expletives in regard to Suboxone because I don’t know who, or why someone decided Suboxone (buprenorphine) to be a reasonable LONG TERM therapy for anyone other than the most at risk people, i.e. top 5% of addicts. ESPECIALLY at doses >2mg. Either way, I bought my subs off the street after the first few months, because it removed the convenience factor associated with getting 60 x 8mg tabs or strips each month. I consistently took 4-8 mg a day for 2 years and anywhere from 1.5-3mg daily for about 6 month before quitting cold turkey, with the help of Kratom. Even with Kratom, I don’t think I slept for 3 months but it’s hard to say what caused that, given I had to try 15 different strains/sources of Kratom before I found one that made me say ah-ha! With that being said I give Kratom at least 50% of the credit in helping me regain balance in my life. Don’t strive towards anything other than what you know you need to do to ADVANCE as a human being. Kratom being a natural medicine, that has came to be by the slow process of time, should not be thought of as if it is of the same essence as any modern medicine. The purpose of synthetic or semi-synthetic chemicals is a complicatedly simple process of medicine where the natural chemical structures found in nature are concentrated or even elucidated upon creating new chemicals. Side effect profiles are VERY RELEVANT, and while modern medicine has provided us all with blessings beyond description, it has also at the same time brought forward some practical, serious ordeals that we are able to easily describe and observe in the light of contrast. What I’m trying to say is you might have to try 20 different strains of Kratom over a period of 6 months to find your balance. If that’s what it takes to undo the faulty wiring within the almost incomprehensibly complex system of circuitry within your mind and body, than so be it. It is worth finding out. Nothing worth discovery presents itself at first glance or inquiry. Or should I say everything good in this world hides itself from those who deserve it the most. Put in the work, find what resonates with the harmony and balance you need. If it doesn’t show up, keep looking, it will. (The first strain I ever objectively KNEW worked after I took it was Green Malaysian. Red Bali was after. Be careful with maeng da, there are many marketing horned varieties as maeng da that are worth little. You could reasonably try the same strain from 5 different vendors and experience different effect profiles from each. I take up to 15 grams some days and have yet to experience anything other than mild dizziness and nausea when taking too much. Too much being 25g+ in a 6-8 hour period. Less is often more with Kratom when it comes to dosage. My average dose after one year is 3grams of my preferred strains. Unfortunately I can’t link to what I buy. It is legal here in Michigan and sold in stores to the degree in which I never buy online. I can buy 60 grams of powder for $12.99 and I find it fresher on the shelves than in the mail regularly. I take convenience over saving a few bucks because I am gradually taking less Kratom as my life improves. If this helps anyone I will be glad. I might be able to answer specific questions for you if you need. Have a good day.
Im in Michigan too but only found 25 grams for $25. I tried to search online where to buy kratom but only headshops come up and i heard those are the worst! What types of stores sell good kratom without me having to order online? Or how should I search for places to buy it in my city?
hi……i’d like to know if anyone answered your question…..if they did …would u give me the answer also ?
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I use Red bicornuate for pain and it’s fantastic. begin slow because it will cause symptom. All Kratom is high in fiber thus ensure you’re drinking lots of fluids otherwise you can keep a copy. I had back surgery five discs consolidated and that i haven’t had to require opiates since happening Red Horn. i attempted Maeng prosecuting attorney and a number of other others however nothing has touched Red Horn.
I’ve been taking Vicodin for 26 yrs and Fentanyl for 12 yrs I’m having trouble finding the correct strain and amount to take of Kratom , I have tried four different strains nothing seems to help I can’t function without terrible stomach pains and no motivation Haven’t slept a night through in a week!!! Any suggestions? I’m desperate
I don’t know what strains you are taking or how you are preparing it. When I first started taking Kratom, it was to get off opioids (previously on 200 mg Morphine and 5-30mg Roxicodones/day or more) I was put on Methadone to get off the Morphine and Roxi. This was the first time I didn’t go thru that horrible withdrawal. I felt as if I had found a miracle, and still do. I went on a website that told me to use Red Bali and Yellow Indo. It also said to order something called Calm Support. It didn’t help thought. The Kratom is the only thing that has helped me and my husband to be able to get off pain pills. I have also had a spinal fusion. I have fibromyalgia and widespread chronic pain. Kratom has been a God send. The Yellow Indo used to make me sick so I quit taking it. Now I like the greens and whites for energy. They also provide enough pain relief to get me thru the day and night. They say the reds are sedative and green and white energising. I still have never felt this euphoria everybody talks about. But energy and pain relief is good enough for me to keep taking it. I use a small amount of orange juice in a bottle (old single serving orange juice bottle) about one or two inches in the bottom and then add about two teaspoons of Kratom. Right now I am using Super Green Malay and White Borneo (1 t each) When I first started I was using anywhere from 9 to 14 grams twice a day. Even though the stuff taste terrible, it is worth anything not to go thru withdrawal. You may be taking too much or a strain that doesn’t agree with you. Try starting out with a small amount and then as your tolerance builds, increase the amount. It sounds like you are going thru withdrawal. It will make you so sick you want to die. I don’t know if you have ever gone thru it or not, but it is the worst feeling you can experience. It can get to the point you don’t want to live anymore. Like I said before, Kratom has been a God send to me. I don’t know what I would do if the outlawed it. The legislators need to know this is the answer to the opioid addiction crisis this country is suffering from. They don’t want and answer because the doctors and pharmacies are making a fortune getting people hooked. I finally said–NO MORE. I was sick of being a slave to a pill. I wish you all the best. Just know, there are a lot of us out there who have been thru it. Good Luck
Cindy,
I am right there with you. Methadone is more evil than morphine and roxicodone ever thought about being. I got off a year ago with Levorphanol. It’s an old opiate that was re-approved for use. I’m in the medical field and I also worked in a treatment center. In school we did an autopsy of a murder victim who was found outside Ft Worth. This person had been dead approximately four years. They found methadone still the the patients BONES. Sometimes it can take over a YEAR to stop feeling the effects of methadone withdrawal. I also owe my life to Kratom. Be sure to call congress and tell them if they outlaw Kratom you will make sure the people responsible are voted out of office. I did. Millions are suffering from the DEA making it impossible to get pain relief. Hundreds have thrown in the towel and committed suicide. I’m prepared to break the law and illegally import Kratom if they try taking it away. The more people who call and insist that the DEA eff off on this the better chance we have. I pray all who read this that use this wonder plant band together and fight. I even asked the jerk in Congress if they were attempting population control by forcing the sick and the weak to just die. This IS the solution to the opioid crisis! Also, the National Center for Drug addiction has publicly come out to Congress and the DEA with a study showing that nobody has ever died taking this stuff. Let’s hope the drug companies ( especially the ones making Suboxone- that seems to be readily available) in bed with our lawmakers don’t ruin all of our chances at a healthy alternative to opiates. Best Wishes! Lori Zambrana McIntosh
Cindy, I’m new at this, I’m on my second neck surgery and refuse to use pain management. They make you feel like a criminal! You sound very knowledgeable? Does Kretom have a shelf life?
Hi Dayna, welcome to the world of chronic pain. Along with it comes, sleep disorders, and usually, though I hope you haven’t had to experience it, anxiety disorder. You don’t mention which strains you have tried. I can speak from personal experience due to a Frankenstien dr, and the freak show known as the DEA. I have a hard time getting scripts, but have had like you, Vicodin for a couple of decades off and on, codeine, and oxycodone. Vicodin is the best at pain moderation without serious side effects. The efficacy wears off after years, and you need to use another drug for a few months for the Vicodin to work as it once did. The lowest dose possible without going too low is best. In the past I was moved to oxycodone from Vicodin when it wasn’t working well enough. It is a very difficult drug to dose with. Has some serious motor skill impairment, but excellent pain relief. I just recently had fentanyl and found it useless. An almost immediate headache that did not relent, and only a few points worth of pain relief.
I have had a number of kratoms. Reds, and what I believe is a white indonesian called super indo. It appears to be effective, but I have not even used a full oz of it yet.
Red Kali or kalimatran is the best for pain relief, with the least stimulating effects. Though mild usually, the stimulation effect of most kratom combined with regular use, can leave you in a panic trying to get to sleep. Valerian and Passion flower are also beneficial.
I have a disc that dried up and disappeared in my lumbar along with some nerve impingement. I was getting some fair pain relief without the “why cant I fall asleep” syndrome from kratom’s stimulant effect by using about three teaspoons of red kali, and another two to three teaspoons if breakthrough pain appeared. The dose for you may be different. The correct dose will generally give around five hours of pain relief.
Valium is an extremely beneficial drug but must be taken carefully. Tolerance and addiction can happen easily. It can help you sleep and stay asleep, significantly reduces anxiety, and has some pain reducing properties.
I’ve recently just started taking Kratom for depression so I can’t be sure about specific strains, however, I am convinced that the quality of the Kratom is quite important. So you need to find a good vendor. Ezkratom, Kratoria, katsbotanicals, and christophersorganicbotanicals are my top picks for you. Stick with the reds like Bali, Sumatra and Borneo. Grab all three if you can and take a different one each night to get a feel for which works best and also will help keep tolerance down. I want to say start with 3 to 5 grams. idk what your opiate tolerance is like so more might be needed. Hope this helps.
Hey dayna im sure there are people with way more experience than me in this area but from my personal experiences withdrawling from herion and suboxone i found the white indo helped i would take about a table spoon everytime the pain was too much it definitely helped unfortunately there is no 100% silver bullet to cure all the opiate side effects but Kratom seemed to be the closest thing to relief there are other options like taking a ton of anti dihreal pills (NOT recommended) they help but will seriously dehydrate you and god only knows what horrible effects they have long term so if you can get a white or red vein ultra premium Indo that is where I would start. I wish you the best and I really hope you can get through it it sounds like you have the worst part behind you if its been a week GOOD LUCK and It is TOTALLY worth the misery for a new start
It will be difficult to releave the opioiot stomach pains, cut back SLOWLY, part of what your experiancing is withdrawl. I moved to Wisconsin after being on pain managment, which the governer “declaired war on opiots” and took me from 8 oxy a day to nodda in 3 months. Scarry, but you can do this. Its hard, Kratom helps and once you start just do it, no matter the sucky part push through. Currently I am takeing Mangda Green, works well for pain.
Hello!
I know exactly what you are going through. I have been on all that and more. So far, I have tried the white Maeng Da, Red Bali and Green Malay. The Red Bali is GREAT and helped me off Dilaudid, MS Contin, Valium, and meds for ADD. I’m amazed at how much better I am. You don’t have to live in fear anymore. Don’t mix drugs with Kratom. Jump off at a taper, in other words step yourself down with what you have of your meds. When you get as low as you can ( I am in the medical field and know what I am talking about) use the Kratom and you won’t be sick at all. The fentanyl is dangerous to just jump off all of a sudden. I’d have your doc take you down to the lowest dose, then use the Vicodin and step down from there. When you are as low as possible that’s when to start Kratom. If it worked for me, it will work for anyone. Also be sure to call congress and tell them that you will be sure to have anyone responsible for making Kratom illegal voted the hell out. Take care, and know that YOU CAN DO IT!!! Sincerely and with hugs and prayers, Lori Zambrana McIntosh
My husband is currently taking between 6(that’s only when he’s low or the last of them) and 12 10mg percs a day. He make $4000 a month we have no mortgage no car payments and no kids at home and are always broke! I need to cut him down. I know he won’t just quit, he is terrified of the withdrawal. So if his usual is to take 20mg of Percocet (2 10mg) at a time and he takes that 4-6 times a day should he start by taking one 10mg with some Kratom or take his regular 20mg dose then a couple hours later take Kratom?
Ms kelly,
Hello, I am in a similar situation. In not sure how your hubs is, but first thing in the morning I seem to require an ungodly amount,of meds to get going. Seem to be ok,once I get up and at work. With that being said. I’m new to kr atom btw, I’ll take four or five “bananas” in the morning. Two when I first get up and three more a couple hours later. After that I’ll take a mix of kr atom. I’ll be fine the whole day and sleep ok.
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