Kratom Strains And Effects
Updated Nov 11, 2021
Written By: Mark Andrews
Countless people across the world are learning about kratom in 2020. With so many strains, its important to understand which strain is right for you. Unlike synthetic opioids, kratom’s chemical composition is complex, and the effects of this composition are dynamic.
Its main alkaloids are mitragynine, paynanthine, speciociliatine, and the more minor 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG). Kratom’s neurochemical complexity is echoed in its physiological effects.
It is generally understood that at low doses (< 1 gram), kratom “can boost energy and enhance mood,” whereas at higher doses kratom is sedating, and may have anxiolytic qualities.
The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.
Click on any strain below to find more information:
Ground Leaf Strains
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Bali | An ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost. Bali works somewhat differently than a traditional red kratom. Bali helps achieve a gentle energy boost while maintaining the pain relief expected of a red. Euphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Maeng Da | Energizing and stimulating with pain killing effects. Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick because of it’s specific alkaloid properties. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Bali | Similar to Bali with some red characteristics. This is a known as a versatile strain. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Thai | Similar to Bali with a more classic red strain effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Kali | Sedating and more classically opiate like. Red Kali is a more traditional red kratom offering pain relief & relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Indo | Similar to Red Kali and many other traditional strains. Red Indo is a more tame red vein strain and is often touted as ideal for mild pain relief and relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Indo | Balances pain relief and energy boosting qualities. The combination of alkaloids in Green Indo creates a longer lasting milder effect although there is not as high of a concentration of alkaloids as SGM. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Malay | This original variety of Malaysian Kratom is well known for its mood-lifting, energizing effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Vein Kali | A stimulating strain which also has painkilling attributes. Green Kali delivers a strong boost of energy without sacrificing any of the sought after pain relief effects. It is know for have a higher potency than Green Indo. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Kali | More euphoric or dissociating. White Vein Kali is a milder white strain known for its energizing qualities – when compared to Red Vein Kali – while still containing notable pain relief qualities. . | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Thai | White Thai may be the most stimulating of all white strains. There are however less pain relieving attributes than a red vein strain or a strain similar to Bali as a trade off. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Indo | Similar to Red Indo which is best known for its pain relief attributes. However White Vein Indo differs from the calming Red Indo by bringing a euphoric dissociative kick with it. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Borneo | Known as a uniquely high quality white strain of kratom. It has known for its long lasting, energizing effect. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Super Green Malaysian | Known for its unique ability to combine the characteristic pain relieving properties of a red strain with the energy and euphoria boost of a white strain. SGM also has some of the longest lasting effects of any kratom with smooth delivery due to the high concentration of alkaloids. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
Kratom Extracts
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Ultra Enhanced Indo | Most euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety. UEI manages to contain a full range of effects including pain relief & relaxation with a slight energy and mood boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Gold Reserve Extract | Powerful extract made by applying highly concentrated kratom alkaloids back to natural kratom leaf. Gold Reserve is a highly potent extract providing a blend of stimulation and pain relief while providing full body relaxation with a notable energy boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| ISOL-8 Extract | ISOL-8 is an outlier and has caffeine like stimulation. ISOL-8 uniquely focuses in on the energy and stimulating effects of kratom while other extracts generally bring out a broader range of effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Ultra Enhanced Red Kali | This extract is made by blending pure alkaloids from Red Vein Kalimantan leaf with high quality Red Kali leaf. This is not made with semi-synthetic chemicals but only all natural kratom leaf alkaloidal extract. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced True Thai | Made from taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction of Thai Kratom and reapplied to a Green Vein Thai leaf. This extract is a high potency version of classic Thai kratom strains notable for a mild energy boost with significant pain relief & relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced White Sumatra | Created by taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction from white vein kratom and mixing it with White vein leaf. This reformulation results in a more potent version of white vein kratom with significant pain relief and relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
Yannis, Someone like you has evidently not dealt with chronic pain all of your life or you would not speak so ignorantly about those who deal with pain everyday. I have had horrible back pain since I was 15 years old and taking ibuprofen is like taking candy. I does absolutely nothing for the pain. Please try to be respectful to those who may be close to suicide and are dealing with depression because of the stigma of pain medications and not being able to cope with the daily pain. If you have never experienced this kind of pain it is easy to speak ignorantly. You are an idiot!!
You said right April…ppl are quick to assume shit before they know the situation it pisses me off to no end. I have Rheumatoid arthritis and depression on top of that…I was addicted to pain killers for a long time until I decided I didn’t want to live from pill to pill anymore so I dug on the internet for something more natural and I found Kratom, thank god for it and it helps me through the day without all the bad side effects of opiates!
Which one do you take that helps you with not taking pain pills
Bali is probably your best bet.
I tried Red Bali because everyone told me it was most like opiates, I have to disagree at least for my body. The Maeng Da works great.
Red Bali…it has the most opiate like properties in it. But all red vein strains are good for pain relief.
Exactly lady! I quit drinking and smoking and was still taking 10 Norco a day and then one day I decided that if I was quitting all of these things to be here for my kids longer how does that help if I am here but I am a loony tunes from the opiates
Monica, I too have a history with Norco. I’ve been taking Norco for 9 years and the first 7 yrs I was taking 5 10mg a day and 3 10mg a day for the last two years. My dr stopped prescribing them to me in January so I’ve been buying off the street ever since. My wife and I have always struggled with money but now it’s like an extra $200 a week. So I tried Kratom 3 days ago. I bought the Bali strain and idk it’s just not doing it for me. I’m not getting that rush of energy or euphoric feeling I guess. I’m pretty depressed and just mope around but luckily I haven’t had any fevers/chills since I’ve been off the Norco. What strain should I try to give me the energy I used to have when I took Norco? I’m not looking for euphoria I just want to be the motivated and productive individual I used to be.
Try the Maeng Da… It felt the closest and gives energy.
I couldn’t have said IT better myself. Then again I have said the same words you said ABOVE for the last 18yrs of living prisoner in a chronic pain body. Healthier people will NEVER get it and DON’T get it NOW at ALL. We are treated as drug seekers because of the medications we are on when they look at our files. Well I don’t know about you all, but I don’t recall ever going to the pharmacy to get 7up, sprite and or Pepsi. And turning to the pharmacist and asking for him to hand me that bottle of methadone or morphine while he’s ringing me up. As if I picked it out for myself. The Drs prescribe it. They up it. They change it and then add more. Always a band aid never a fix. Then there out the money. If your fixed. The truth is that I’ve lived is the longer they kept me on all the pills, patches. The more damage the rest of my body was suffering. And before you know it 8yrs into being bd ridden. On 22scripts a day. I had 2 emergency surgeries & 5more that yr. A total of 7 surgeries. All due to my body shutting down from the amount of ALL the drugs THEY put me on. I flushed THEM all after the last surgery. Did amazing for yrs and yes. And then then my spine got much worse. 2level cervical fusion gone way wrong and lower lumbar needing 2surgeries & Specialist wanting to and has stalled for the last 2yrs. Back on just 3scripts a day. But can’t go without them. And back to being bed ridden again due to back went out and test after test. Now waiting on results and when to see surgeon again. I’m scared to try this. However I have it and am ALL for ANYTHING that’s more natural and healthy for the body then from the Big pharma who tells you the risks of all drugs hecause THEY will destroy YOUR body after taking them for long term in life. Then you have mire medical problems and more needs for more drugs.
Just as I was afraid to take the 1st pain pill. And what it wouod do or how it would make me feel. Its the same thing. Difference is I feel.much safer From m something natural then man made anyway. Thank you to anyone who read this for yiyr time and know your NOT alone. We ALL are living it and we ALL understand IT~J/UnconditionalLove
April—You’re right on the money. People who haven’t experienced severe chronic pain have no idea what it’s like to live like this. There’s no way to explain it, if you don’t suffer with it every second of every day, you don’t have any idea. So, anyone who thinks they know, but doesn’t live with severe chronic pain—Shut the f—— up!!
I failed to mention that I take 3 different opioids for severe chronic back pain. After 2 surgeries and taking the strongest pain medication my doctor (the surgeon who is great and willing to keep me on as a pain management patient) will prescribe (including high dose of Oxy, hydrocodone tablets for breakthrough pain, etc.) I’m looking for something better that isn’t as dangerous. After taking this stuff for over 20 years, I have no idea what kind of damage they’ve done to my body. I do know what the withdrawals feel like—I think it’s equivalent to dying and going to hell. I’m about to try Kratom after watching the documentary Leaf of Faith. I ordered 3 different kinds in capsules, but after reading some of the posts, I might need to buy the powder for more effective relief. Chronic severe pain of any kind is real and is a real problem. Like they said in the documentary when talking about the media sensationalized opioid epidemic that did nothing but hurt people who live with chronic pain—We don’t have a opioid problem in this country, we have a pain problem.
I was close to suicide when my child was born… severe post partum and anxiety. They gave me percs for the after pain (which I really didn’t need because I had no pain from it and huge hemmroids) but I’m a recovering addicted started in 2015. My husband is an addict too so I don’t live with him Plus his horrible to live with. Like living with snotty bratty teenage girl. But the percs started up an awful addiction and in September of last year. I just had it so my husband checked me into griffin mental hospital state hospital because we didn’t have insurance at the time. Well it was great for rest til they put me on some stupid sh*t like Wellbutrin and Gabapentin. The anti depressant gave me seizures and a weird feeling all the time. And the anxiety medicine made me sleepy. I have a baby for god sakes and don’t need to be sleeping all time. So when they released me I threw it away and started kratom my first batch ever was green Bali very great mood lifter. Than I changed stores and found the variety. Now my favorite thing to do is have a bottle of water mix it with a five hour energy put in white Maeng da with Malay or green Maeng da and a kratom extract pill. My life is so much better now even when my stomach can’t tolerate it and I have to empty myself out or take a week break. It’s so worth I love it and I’ll fight to keep it legal
I like what you said… Do you think a heaping tablespoon is too much twice a day.. I was very shacky… And stomach discomfort… Took a bit more after the teaspoons.. A big tablespoon…. I feel much better.. I must just needed more cause I’m fine now… Like I said.. Took for first time yesterday and it was better than Norco 10s and lasted longer than heroin…. I was a passenger in a bad car wreck 25+years ago.. I have severe grandmal seizures from head trauma.. Femur broke in half… In a shorter version… I got arthritis and pain all the time on top of hep c… And another liver disease I was born with… My skin always bothers me coming off Junk…. This is the real deal… I’m such a skeptic on things like this but I even got that taste when you get off on whatever opiates you take… And headache and overall pain is much better… I’m not shacking anymore so I guess I answered my own question … But would still like to have an opinion from you on anxiety cause I got sample pack…but since I took that extra bit.. Not shaking or no more stomach discomfort…. I just would like to talk to someone going through same as me… Bless all of us who have to deal w pain and discomfort… Or addiction…. Thank you. I hope someone answers me…
I am a paraplegic due to gunshot wound. I deal with chronic pain from it along with chronic nerve pain. I got addicted 2 all the narcotics and benzos pain management put me on. Found out about kratom and cbd and its been helping me out so much. Im still testing diff strains and kinds to see which 1 would work best for pain anxiety and depression. Anyone have any input to try to help me out id really appreciate it.
Green malay
I have a very high tolerance for narcotic pain medications. I suffer from severe chronic back pain. I used to take 4 x 30mg Oxycodone + 4 x 60mg Morphine + 4 x 2mg Xanax for many years. After using Kratom & testing most all of the strains for over 1 year, my personal favorite strain is Red Bali. Keep in mind though, that each strain affects everyone differently. Bottom line, for the most opiate like relief, best to stick with most Red strains & few whites. Hope this helps. God bless all of us suffering from pain, anxiety & depression.
I think they all may help with the withdrawal that comes with that
From what I have read it
Looks like green Indo and and green vein Kali have the most energy and pain relief and the white enhanced Indo helps with social and which holds hands with depression but that is just me
I give you sooooo much props!! I agree with you 10,000% about the Kratom and CBD!! Red Bali seems to be the best at pain relief. I actually sell CBD I believe in it so much!!
I am a nurse and never in my life abused opiates, but had to take them for chronic back pain resulting from an injury in the hospital. Now no doctor will help me with my pain. I donated a kidney to my father and was put on tramadol bc I was advised not to take NSAIDs with one kidney. My doctor now refuses to prescribe that. I am livid! Our government has no right to do this to a human being. Our whole medical world has become a joke! I’m not even proud to be a nurse anymore. Kratom has been a lifesaver…..until the big wigs get their filthy paws into this and make it illegal in all states. Buy in bulk bc onr day they will take this away to!!
Jen. Sane here. What strain do you use for most pain relief. And one for sleep too?
Same question.. Which helps with sleep.. Been up 30hrs now…. So not cool… And thank you for sharing.. All of you..
I’m in the exact same boat as you. Nurse, back pain, knee pain. I just discovered Kratom a few weeks ago. When I take this my pain is very tolerable. I can get through the day without my brain clouding because of the pain, tears start to roll by the end of the day. Everything you say is true about the medial field. I have even contemplated finding a new career. If this gets taken away. I’m done with the medical field for sure.
I broke my tailbone when I was 14 and my back is loaded with rheumatoid arthritis I also hated being dependant on opiates kratom is a life saver and as well as for anxiety my wife walked out on my daughter and I and kratom really helped with anxiety and depression.
I’m a nurse. Head on collision, fused vertebrae. I knew opiates weren’t a long term answer but I also knew that the government would prevent pain relief through western medical care. And my insurance sent my records of medicine to two of my doctors. I take red bali and white maeng da kratom daily. Right now I’m taking a break for tolerance and I’m in pain and exhausted. V
Thanks Jen I admire your passion..The only reason why the Govt is doing testing is because once they isolate all the necessary Alkaloids, they will illegalize Kratom and put it into Pill form. They want us to believe their current testing is for our safety! This is so feebly transparent ..Giant Dicks is what they are to me.
How many mow fuckiz with “Jen” being a part of their names. Sketchy nikkiz. Yalll huuurd meh??? Shii cuhh..
Jk, I am also a registered nurse of WHMC. I had to take vicodins. I needed them for spine nerve pinch. Then I got too addicted.
Went to go on kratom. Cheaper, more effective. Also, it’s a plant.
I don’t understand the point in why people would want to ban kratom, considering it may have some cannabis like prohibition protest. I do not want medical Kratom dispensaries.
Medical Kratom? I can see it now. They need more tax.
Ultra is horrible to stop taking. I wish I had this when I stopped taking my tramadol. Would have helped, I’m sure.
That’s why the dr’s don’t want us to have it. They don’t make any $$$$ off of it!
You are so true. Been on meds,injections, acupuncture, therapy, and it’s all a scam. People abused the meds that people like us “REALLY need to function,” it sucks and it gets worse and worse on the regulations.
Mark my words. They will take this from us to.
Doctors are so scared of prescribing narcotic anymore, because the government takes their license in a heart beat, if a troubled person ends their life and eventually we will all get to this point because we hate relying on pills to get through each day.
This Kratom helps a lot
We are going to be ok when we stand up and so this HELPS. GOD Bless
Oh Jen we need to fight back if this happens. I was in a hit and run accident with a truck while sitting at a light at 9am. 6 major back surgeries, 4 vascular surgeries, they took out two ribs, left shoulder redone, 10 years in PT. I worked in rehab with stroke patients when it happened. I was no longer able to work. I asked to be on a medication that would help pain with no high. I was put on 25mg methadone. 23 years later and I am on 30mg. Never ever abused anything. Now my pharmacist has said I cannot take it any more. She has NO idea what I have been through. What is going on??????????? So I am turning to Kratom. If they take that away I guarantee people will off themselves.
Jen— The federal government did make Kratom illegal back in 2016, but there was a huge backlash from Kratom users—people who suffer with chronic pain. The feds actually made Kratom a Schedule I drug, which made it equivalent to heroin! Big Pharma will never get involved with Kratom because they can’t get a patent on it. They should be worried, Kratom is becoming known, more people are trying it (I’m a long time chronic pain management patient who is just starting to try Kratom) and weaning of prescription pain meds. The media really pissed me off with all the one-sided stories in their manic opioid epidemic frenzy. The state and federal government responded in their typical knee-jerk reaction and did absolutely NOTHING except make it harder for chronic pain patients to get pain relief. The DEA scared the shit out of doctors, threatening to pull their licenses for any patient they deemed were getting too many opioid prescriptions. My pharmacist told me a DEA agent came into his business to audit their records and grilled him about a hospice patient who was getting high doses of opioids. The man had a tumor bulging out of his abdomen! That’s one of the results of the so-called opioid epidemic. That patient died a few weeks after the pharmacy was audited and given a hard time by some asshole DEA agent. Did people abuse opioids? Absolutely, but people have been abusing drugs for decades, it’s nothing new. Only the type of drug this time is new. Personally, I hope Kratom helps me and I can stop going to the monthly doctor appointment to get the multiple prescriptions my life currently revolves around. I hope I can figure out which type and form of Kratom works best for me and order it as needed. It will save time and a lot of money. Being a long term patient of organized medicine has cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars over the 20+ years. My pharmacy bill for the year is over $14,000 and I have prescription insurance. I think $14,000 will buy a lot of Kratom.
I omitted that after the backlash to the feds making Kratom illegal, they relented and allowed it to be sold legally again. For anyone who is dealing with chronic severe pain, I understand what you’re going through and wish you the best trying to find effective pain relief. I don’t know if Kratom will work for me, but I’m willing to try different strains and different doses to see if I can find effective relief and replace the opioids. If there are people who are in position and want more info. and have access to Netflix, check out the documentary Leaf of Faith. That’s where I heard about Kratom and got some good information to understand what it is. It’s a very informative film.
I have been taking Kratom for 2 years,
I still take my prozac because I strongly believe that is is working, my thyroid meds and multi vita Gummies. I can honestly say I am so happy that I’m not being tied down to making sure I get all the meds I need. I order from a wonderful vendor that sends me a test slip of what and how much is in my batch. It’s so transparent. I’m not bound to it everyday. I take it as needed. It helps so much with the social anxiety and panic attacks. No word feelings can still drive and operate all my equipment. Over all my quality of life is through the roof
Favorite Strains Green Bali, Super green indo and most all white strains.
Can you post good trustworthy sites to order from please
You need to look at vendor reviews on reddit. I wouldn’t trust anyplace someone told you on a message board, you need a reputable vendor and you’re not going to find one here. There’s also some great groups on facebook. I like Ladies of Kratom Support Group on facebook.
They have banned references to vendors on Reddit which is why I’m googling this exact same question. There are some older posts but I would like actual current user reviews of vendors myself.
I would also love an answer on this because as said, Reddit has banned vendor lists.
Hi Joan I hope you come back here and see my post. I am looking for the support group on facebook. I typed it in my search but found nothing.
I’m new to taking Kratom. I would love any advice on dosage And difference in kinds and what they do.
Thanks
I’m in the same boat..
Carly,
Can I have the name of your vendor. I am always looking for different vendors that people have used and trust.
I don’t really have an extensive story. It’s was simply a matter of desperation. I magically tore my rotator cuff in my left shoulder while in the hospital with my wife shortly after my son was born. The pain was unbearable and excruciating, especially holding my son. I wasn’t having this, and it was a pain that, at its worst, neither ibuprofen or acetaminophen would touch (or even a 15mg roxycodone, to my surprise). I had known about Kratom as my brother was an enthusiast, but never really found the allure myself. Finally, I broke down and grabbed some, and the difference was immediate. It’s not by any means a cure all, At least not for inflammation in my experience, but I would advise this over many pain meds that will get you hooked.
I had my right shoulder operated on in May of 2017, they fixed 2 torn tendons and scraped out arthritis and for 3 months after, I thought it was the worst mistake I ever made in my entire life. I’ve known all kinds of pain, but wow…is all I can say cuz that took the Gold medal! They wouldn’t prescribe me anything but oxycodone 5s (with acetaminophen) for after surgery and I know you’re not supposed to take more than prescribed, but 4 of those wouldn’t touch the pain. (I think it was due to the fact that I don’t have insurance or something like that, b/c everyone else I know that had that surgery had either oxycodone 10s or dilaudid 2s and theye all had insurance. Idk, tho). But I would always have to take that many or more, just tried to only take it like that twice a day in steady of 1-2 every 4 hours…still ran out 3 days early every week! It was the absolute worst pain I’ve ever felt in all my 42 years. I was just told about Kratom (well, I had heard the name but never knew what it was) yesterday when I was talking about my migraines, and this migraine I have now is 3 times worse than the one I had through the entire Christmas holiday. So, I gave my dad my last 20 dollars for the next 2 weeks and asked him to go get me a small jar of the Bali powdered cuz that’s what my friend told me to get…I called the place first and the guy said he had it for 15.99. My dad just called and said it was 40 bucks (or some dumb shit) I said go back in and tell him (with me on phone) that I talked to him not 2 hours ago and he had what I was looking for. Welp, it’s a small jar but the only strain in the small was the red, which I was planning on trying in the future, so I said just get that and tell him I said he’s a lil lying fuck! I can’t deal with a lot when I have migraines…I will still have to wait for it for about 2 hours, but if this works like my friend says it does…I only wish I was told about it when I had that surgery!! I got a cortisone shot in my left shoulder about a month ago, but no talk of surgery with that one, as of yet. I’m not looking forward to it, if I do. : (
Did it work?
What strain did you take for your pain?
I was a chronic pain patient. I had three very specific back surgeries that I won’t go into, but less then 3% of spinal patents nationally, have even come close to my surgeries,& 10% of that 3% die or are paraplegics. Those percentages were given to me by my surgeon. When someone tells me they have harrington bars, fusions, cages, plates- my reply is “Is that it?” Cuz I got that beat. I am over 40, well educated, and non an idiot when it comes to how our government system works. I have Medically been on everything, from fentanyl patches, suckers, liquid stadol, basically any sched 1 opiate that can be administered orally, intravenously, or transdermally-& I don’t even feel a high. There are not enough drugs to even make me feel close to functional,& I can move.. I gave up, bcuz the alternative to my dosages, is death. What this government, over the last 15 years, is doing to people like me is appalling. It’s a death sentence. I know patients who have taken their own lives, because they can get no real relief. Yet let a natural substance come along,& the DEA & FDA ,& every controlling government official will demonize it, in the name of Capitalism, the Dollar Almighty, to protect the drug companies. Tie physicians’ hands, treat patients like numbers,& allow even a Pharmacy Tech, who has years less education than I do, to have an opinion on my medical needs. Nice to know, yet again, that the opinions of those who have no experience with chronic pain, are the ones whose opinions matter.
God bless you & I couldn’t possibility agree more. I’m not going to “ditto” your comments, as it would only be redundant. Capitalism is destroying the entire planet, including us. I’m praying for our Kratom community. Kratom saved my life. If you can call the pain I endured 24/7 a life at all, Kratom has given me a life. Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
That has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with government control, and socialism is total government control so what do you think they would do then, tired of prime blaming capitalism when cheeky they don’t unfettered capitalism, capitalism had pulled more people out of the gutter, out of poverty and saved More lives then any other system in history, don’t hate the capitalism, hate the politicians as the government over control that destroys capitalism, of those are a truly capitalist then the government would have no power to take away your medicine, as the company’s that manufacture them would be competing with each other to get you the best safest product for the best price! The system you see complaining about is corporate socialism! It’s a where government is picking winners and losers keeping competition away from their friends by regulations that keep their products away! That is anti capitalism! You should be fighting for free market capitalism, not more of this socialist crap that’s causing the problem in the first place!
Amen! These people have NO idea what kind of hell they’re voting to bring.
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Holy crap Mario…you are 110% correct. !!!
Diane,
Its capitalism that brings you these drugs and cures. Try and get some if you live in Cuba.
Cuba’s #1 export is it’s Doctors (and medicine) numb nuts.
Then why did Fidel Castro go to Venezuela when he was sick to get treatment. Doctors are their #1 export because the barely export anything. And you saying their medicine is just ignorant and uneducated. We haven’t had free market capitalism in America in a very long time. It is called corporate socialism.
I have been on pain medication for 15 years. No overdose, no shopping around for dr, no buying meds illegally. I am compliant and always have been. My primary dr had to send me to pain management, they completely cut my meds way way down and told me that only cancer patients suffer from chronic pain. I used some kratom to help me during that time but when my primary saw records of what theu were doing to me and I told her what they said, she took me back. I am very lucky but people like us get a bad rap for the abuse that other people do. It is not fair and my heart goes out to those who are truly suffering
Yes chronic pain there is only in cancer patients and end-of-life treatment to get this kind of medications that all of you in the USA take the rest of the world’s lives without these medications and is just fine. I feel like 80% of the chronic pain patients are just for the dope ,they can be treated with lighter medications.
BULLSHIT! Do you know anything about genetics? NO My husband. Genetic resisitant to opioid and nsaid. After 14 years, disabled just took his only drug that worke and he is bedriden 2 weeks now.
You sound like a moron.
You are a complete idiot.
I’m a diabetic of 34 years and counting. I live in chronic pain every day a lot of people like me do fibromyalgia neuropathy anxiety depression PTSD degenerative joint disease plus many other things that I have wrong with me kratom is the best thing that could come around I would rather have kratom to get out of pain rather than appealing my body just can’t handle much more might kidneys can’t take much more my liver won’t filter much more pills the kratom is a lot easier on my body I hope you see one day that not all of us who’s they were in chronic pain are dope addicts a lot of us are suffering in silence because it’s an unseen disease just like being a diabetic you wouldn’t know I was a diabetic unless I told you it’s not like my disease is worn on the outside for all to see it’s really not fair when people judge those who are truly and back chronic pain I was always scared to go to the doctors and say anything due to the fact that I didn’t want them thinking of me as a dope addict I just want to be out of pain and many times I’ve ended up in the hospital in ICU because of the pain I get intoyou’ll have me and I see you up to a week or two sometimes because my body’s just crippling down and pain not fair for somebody to get in such pain I’m only 38 years old I have so much more living I want to do and kratom is the one thing that has helped me
No one is talking about how much to take. I have diabetes. I have severe osteoarthritis with pain in my hips and knees. I need a hip and knee replacements. I was also diagnosed with breast cancer. In remission. I take KOI CBD oil drops and TY4 with codeine. The store that I get my CBD oil suggested Bali Red. It was suggested that I only take 4 capsules if more I could get sick and vomiting. I’m told that it helps with sleep. My doctors will not prescribe Valium which helped me tremendously. Suggestions please. I brought a bottle with 70 capsules. No direction on how to take. I’m skittle scared but I need my sleep.
I signed up for a pain management group taking a med called suboxen and all of a sudden I had a label in my chart “ opiate dependent” so when I went in for a hysterectomy with a 14 cm custom top of my uterus, I came out of surgery I twice the time allotted for a normal hysterectomy, I couldn’t breath it felt like I had been kicked I. The ribs by a horse. The gave me tordal(sp?) an anti inflammatory med. The nurses in my wing saw opiate dependent in my chart and never gave the morphine that was ordered by the surgeon. The next morning when a nurse felt sorry for me and gave me what was actually ordered to control my pain, she was sent home for the day within thirty minutes. I don’t know about you but I have never known a labor and delivery dept( where I was recovering) sending a nurse home due to lack of patients. Give them another task while they await the births that will inevitably happen but, send them home, NO! The head nurse had seen my chart and said no pain killers for her and that one nice nurse either didn’t see it or ignored it when she saw I could not breathe. And she suffered for her either kindness or ignorance, Now I am supposed to have a neck fusion and am deathly afraid I will end up in The same boat. Labels you’d think we would have gotten past that shit in elementary school but, sadly, no we have not!
Wow I completely agree!! The epidemic of codine and other drugs has completely gone out of control! People love the highs and abused the important meds that other TRUELY NEED! I had surgery 10yrs ago and was on hydrocodine for 7yrs,My doctors wouldn’t help me wean off,so I spent a fortune on buying them myself! I switched to 8mg Suboxone,which I also pay for… It makes me angry and feel Very distressed, just plain Hopelessness! I been to many Doctors over the past 9 yrs for my Severe Pain Attacks,Anxiety Disorder,PTDS and Severe Chronic Fatigue, and I havnt yet been able to get the help I seek(I beg and cry to my doctors/ counselors and explain in fullness my daily battles and suffering! I see and know So Many people who are prescribed pain killers, Adderall, and benzodiazepines that either Sell their scripts or are not in need of them in the 1st place! I feel like my daily battles of just trying to function makes my quality of life Sh#t ,there is None! It’s NOT FAIR to the people(like myself!) who need these meds are only given to the ones that don’t! And them that have abused the medical system have ruined it for millions suffering like me:( It’s so embarrassing to me when i leave the house, bcuz I have tremendous tremors, and most times I can’t leave the house! I have developed a phobia of many things and mental disorders from not being treated for my original problems 11 yrs ago! I’m not the bright happy energetic person I once was. Doctors have changed so much over the past 10-15yrs.The government as well! It’s extremely hard to find a professional that will actually listen to u,help u,care about u,n bedside manners no longer exist! I researched many strains of Kratom, and I’m praying that this works for me! I have 5 different strains of kratom now,3 uppers n 2 for anxiety! Wish me luck🙏🏻I want to hav control over my mind and body again, and if anyone out there suffering and battle daily medical issues I pray you will share your story,sometimes I feel completely alone with these battles!!
Has the Kratom helped you ?
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Hi Linda,
You are not alone, ever , there are probably million of us all doing what I call silently suffering. Its time to find our voices, I have been a chronic pain patient since age16, I just turned 60. I have taken every kind of pain med you can think of. Our country is going to gell in a ham basket. Most uneducated ignorant idiots who think chronic pain patients just want the high are the reason those of us with chronic pain suffer. I dont get high, I just want to function, but guess what I dont get to because the idiots who are suppose to take care of us would rather cater to drugs addicts than remember pain used to be the 5 vital sign. They must think that chronic pain just disappears because middle class kids found opiates abused them , got caught so now its an epicademic. No drug addictions a problem, just so happens chronic pain patients take same medicine. We are not addicts, some days we cant breathe because pain and anxiety criople us. We cant eat because we cant fet to the food, we cant celebrate fun things because we cant move without tears, forget a love life , cant perform, we get told suck it up, I would love to see these ignorant A holes live in my body 5 mins. They would squeal like a cry baby and run back to there body’s. Please if you love Kratom as much as me and it works for you, please right your congress men and women, the stories on here alone speak the truth about pain, the FDA idiot trying to ban it is in big Pharmas pocket telling lies, if we make our congress folks aware of the truth we cant be denied. We are only as strong as our weakest link… I have decided this is worth fighting for. If they win and take it from us its because we didn’t speak loud enough. My pain is Real, my Depression is Real, My PTSD Is Real. No You Don’t Get To Discount Me. I Am Real , Human, and Not Tryin To Get High, Im trying To Live.
There are no Schedule I opioids except heroin. Schedule I is for drugs with no medicinal value (LSD, Mescaline, Heroin, etc.) All the prescription opioids are Schedule II which are drugs that have medical value but are most prone to abuse.
Other then that, I agree with everything you said. I’m here (on this site) for the same reason. 15 years of pain management 12 years without any increase, never failed a piss test, never refilled early, no red flags, just a model patient. Still they just kicked me out for no reason knowing I wouldn’t be able to get tx anywhere else. They should have program where they induce pain in a candidate for a week before they allow them to become a pain doctor so they understand what chronic pain feels like before they have that kind of control over other people’s lives.
First time in my life (I’m 56) I’ve thought about killing myself….fortunately I believe I would go to Hell but that might not be enough someday. 1 I’m tired of suffering 2 Doctors don’t care especially if you have poor people insurance. I have an advanced college degree taugh SpEd for 24 years High School. It took its toll on my body esp. my back. Many assults, alot of lifting and positioning with students in wheelchairs. CBD doesn’t touch it. I don’t like being stoned but do it at night like taking a bitter pill just for relief and a bit of sleep. Trying my first kratom right now.
I was there a few months ago. Couldn’t see a way to live instead of just existing because of dealing with pain. Kratom changed my life because I can now get it under control.
Pamela, how did the kratom work out for you? I take it once in a while for the same reasons. Chronic pain from years of physical job, age 57. Depression…well, you know.
Hi Pam.
I am exactly where your are! I so sorry your going through this. Can you give me any advice on your Katrom journey. just getting into it. I have multiple health issues with the most painful being multiple fracture of the pelvis and 6 compression fractures of my upper back. Your are correct NO DOCTOR CARES ENOUGH!
I have to control the pain or my entire health is going to land in the dirt!
I would appreciate your insight.
shelly
I like the replies esp. the one to the Pharm Tech that knows everything! Was on almost all the major “Pain Killers” for 15+ years like given out like Tic-Tacks. A new D.O. had her hands on her face & in the air rolling her eyes when I said what I was given for my CHRONIC CONDITION there is supposedly no cure for. I was dosed for stage 4 cancer patients with Dilaudid & MSIR as well as other nasty chemicals that cost me my business & home of 40 years all paid for. There was a cure for it but the Old Time Doc who wrote books on it & ran 2 clinics at 1 time & treated people to get them well & not make $$$$$$$ at $40 a pop be it 1 hour on machines & seeing him or 4 hours on 6 machines & seeing him became aged & unwell & died & the lace 3 hrs away. New doc is $2900 for phone consults & seeing him a few times…RIP-OFF.
CHRONIC PAIN IS JUST THAT. IT DOES NOT GO AWAY & WITH THE NEW LAWS MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO STAND THE PAIN! The majority of Opioid “victims” are ones looking for a HIGH & not Relief. I wonder how many of the dead ones have shot the drug as opposed to swallowing as ordered or not all at 1 time? If I shot a days worth or maybe 2 of MSIR & Dilaudid even after building that tolerance as we pain patients do I would probably have been very sick if not dead. But taken as ordered I survived until I was a “liability” 10 years back & thrown off. Unfortunately when you have a 1/4 to 1/2 $million investment in education as a doctor & the ability to really rake it in you follow guidelines. My 1 time “pain med/management” doc did an ok on a former dose that if followed will allow me to function at 1/2 a normal hurting person & 1/4 normal person as opposed to 20% or bed ridden or where is the highest bridge as I don’t like feeling like I’m being electrocuted or other nasty pains. Subs (very addictive I’m told) & the other drugs they use esp. antidepressants are really bad.
I haven’t tried Krantom but have high (no pun intended) hopes & it appears affordable. CBD does seem to help the little we tried, but prices for potent enough doses are beyond most people & unless tested is it real? Just got skunked on eBay on a bottle, NO RETURNS! NO CBD, just Hemp Oil & BS. If 5 grams a day of Krantom will help take more pain away & possibly move me off the not so mighty “O” great! No MD hassles. Weed is fine for some but I hate it as I like being in control & want to relieve pain, not get high.
I think every doc should have to take some of the meds they shove down our throats & that we, as an intelligent & educated being that know our bodies should have the opportunity to take a test if necessary for proof & sign a paper saying “we understand the risks involved & do not hold the doctor/whoever else liable” so that we can have some relief & quality of life. Not everyone can collect. Not everyone can collect enough & have to work if they can & the ones that complain about disability at $1500+ a month (no income tax, pure profit) & have a part time job & a spouse that works & has health insurance provided & it “isn’t enough”, well they can shove it as we & many others live on far less! I had friends at $2500 a month disability & they could not afford car insurance! Maybe $30K isn’t much these days but not bad & more than $10/hr he made & her $880/mo. Point is there has to be an affordable way to help control/manage the pain. I will never be out of pain. There have been minutes after a fine sleep or a great session with a fine D.O. that does OMT but those are fleeting moments that remind me of what I could do way back when.
Having found this so late at night I did not read all of it. What is the best energizing & pain killing strain/type? and who is reliable? I want a 1/4 lb. at least or more if the price/oz. drops & not $2.00 a capsule. MSM & other anti-inflammation natural products need to be incorporated. The web provides the best sources for the least amount of $ as you buy by the pound & there are no fillers/binders or garbage in them at certain sites & they are cheap unlike a “Natural Food Store”. $100 would buy 6 pounds of 6 different products (1lb each pure product) & need to be added to help fight inflammation. $4.00 Turmeric at a store in the Indian section does wonders but takes time as does the others. But we did not get sick in 1 day nor will we get well in 1 day…may be months before results become apparent so do nothing & suffer or something & one day say “hey, my elbow doesn’t hurt as much (or at all). Eating or not eating certain foods help. It comes down to educating yourself away from modern voodoodoo medicine & the time & (when available) money invested is what your body & quality of life is worth to you! Pizza or a pound of Opti-Pure MSM for $11.00? You also don’t have to drop $400 on a bottle of CBD oil or even $100. What would Krantom run in a ¼ lb? $50? How long would it last at 5 grams a day? Seems like a standard dose. Seriously…what is the average cost & amount/day to use high grade Krantom for pain?
Just some thoughts & questions too late at night.
Hi Kay,
I have chronic pain along with other medical problems, that I wont bore you with. I started taking kratom after a friend convinced me to try it. I was going through withdrawals from running out of my gabapentin, which I had no idea would give me the same withdrawals as I got when I ran out of the perks I was put on for years for my chronic migraines! I finally broke down and got some and was so surprised at how much better I felt! Ive been taking it almost every day since march and it makes me feel almost 100% better! I found that the green strain works the best for me for pain and energy. It also helps with my mood, and has a nice side affect too of a mild appetite supression that has been helping me lose weight. A good online store that Ive found is kats botanicals. Their prices are pretty good and they have alot of choices. My two favs are green strain maeng da or green strain malay. They say it is good to mix them up though, and try different strains to find what works best for you, and taking different ones also helps you from building up a tollerance to any specific strain. They also say it is a good idea to take a break from it for a day or two every few weeks, but for me anyways, going more than one day without it, is very painful. I take about 1 1/2 teaspoons once sometimes twice a day, which is about 6grams but its better to start at around 2grams and go from there. I found that mixing it with a little hot water, and then adding either chocolate milk or orange juice tastes the best for me. Cuz drinking it straight can be hard to tolerate for some. It basically tastes like what green algae in a fish tank smells like! LOL good luck and hope this helps! Happy new year!
My pain doctor in Chino, Ca put me on Methadone 12 years ago ( 3 stomach surgeries gone south ) and it actually saved my career, I was on 60 mg a day the entire time living a very productive life. Then the big fucking opiate crisis comes along and the Doctors put their tails between Their legs and bow down to all the politicians. They started decreasing the amount and were very dirty about it, then if you tell them you are experiencing withdrawal, you suddenly become a piece of shit addict. I slowly weened myself off the shit while continuing to get my 30 mg dosage so I would have more time to do it. No amount of time will eliminate the fatigue symptoms. They last what seems to be forever, even today. If anyone thinks that Methadone isn’t one of the most addictive substances on this planet , they can take their opinions and shove it where the sun dont shine because unlike Mr pharmacist, I know the shit gets in every cell in your body. No book learning can dispute this. Even the moron Doctor that put me on it told me that it would be completely out of my system in 3 days. This is hysterically insanely stupid, he needs to be slapped, It was the hardest thing I ever quit , Nicotine being second, Alcohol was nothing compare to Methadone and I gave up all Beer and Cigs 30 yrs ago cold turkey.. People need to find answers to their health problems elsewhere because todays doctors are only interested in money and they do not care about people, it is to them how many office visits they can cram into a day so they can increase revenue, Pharmaceuticals are the same. Insurance companies have caused this but are they to blame completely, probably not as they are trying to overcome the costs associated with all the low lifes in this country not paying for insurance. Enough of the countries problems. If Kratom helps you feel better , I say go for it at least till the Congress puts our asses in jail for it. Isnt it easy to take away the worlds pain meds when you yourself have no pain.
Thank you law makers for taking away the Doctors ability to treat chronic pain, and all because young people want to party with Grandmas Opiates and blow out their heart. I’m happy to say I dont need the doctors or their drugs anymore. Good thing too cuz they wont give them to you anymore anyway. Use the Kratom now cuz I can assure you that these crooked fucking politicians will be paid off by big pharmaceutical soon enough. Good Luck
This is by far the BEST and most accurate summing up of the situation we’ve ever read.
Couldn’t have said it better myself😉 thank you!!! Well said for all of us in pain, or with depression, anxiety, fatigue from pain, and etc…I just started taking kratom and it is amazing!!! I couldn’t believe the pain it took away I have carpal tunnel, tendinitis, arthritis, and all I can say is wow it’s literally saved my job!!!😊
Where do you get it???
We’re not supposed to ask such questions. I just got told off from asking on FB. How can we know what, where and how to get real products?
Most anywhere that you buy “tobacco” pipes. I believe the lingo is a “headshop”
WOW! Very well said! Hey, after you slap that Dr. Can I shake him real hard, just for a second?? JK…kinda. Actually my Dr. is pretty liberal w/ me and he has had his whole “profession stolen” from him, (we all know each other around here, we all live in the same small Midwest town,) He’s been pretty upset that he had became a “clinician” & cannot even see his patients when we were hospitalized, (like the hospital stays w/ out him help!!) He has been my internal medicine Dr. for over 15 years. Knows me well & after the last 15 yrs. the clinic/hospital he started at is now “only a clinic.” It’s been bought and sold three times in the past 6 yrs! You can’t see him inpatient. (Only a complete stranger, a hospitalist, who knows nada about you!) My Internal Medicine Dr. & I have a great repor w/each other and he once looked at me during an appointment after I went to Mayo Clinic 7 times to discuss all the results I had already been informed of @ Mayo, w/REAL tears in his eyes and said, “This isn’t what I signed up for! I can’t even help my patients! I’m an office manager now, nothing more!” I’m SO glad he shared that, gives me warmth inside to know some people actually CARE!! He actually uses the phrase,
“I don’t know!” And “I was wrong!” Or, “I’m sorry!!”
He’s very kind and humble. A rare trait for any Dr. nowadays imo.
Plus he just now made “the big leap” and joined an outstanding medical practice 46 miles away to be the Dr. he went to school so long for, and you bet I followed!! I wish there were more like him! I once was in the er and this “Dr. lady” was “inspecting me” quite invasively and she did a cat scan and she said, “There’s nothing wrong that I can see or feel, your cervix looks good even w/ the poor blood test results!” I couldn’t believe it! I had my cervix removed in a hysterectomy 10 years prior!! It’s like, lady?!?!?!
Ok, so, anyway…
I suffer from pancreatic disease, put on hospice, and it Hurts. Daily. Bad. Functioning at 3% they say as they stare at me like I’m hiding a big secret still functioning as I do…I stare flatly back and just say, “Take it up w/ God!” Being a patient w/chronic pain and knowing that the pain is not going to go away, is just an awful, horrible thing to live with. We try to be positive though don’t we?! If only they could walk a block in our shoes!!
I’m Sure you all understand, that’s why we’re here right?! Anyway, i has Enough!! I fired hospice. I had hydromorphone iv flowing through my veins @ home here 24/7 through a port they put in me, I had just “went along w/ all of it!” I didn’t KNOW! I couldn’t stay awake, I could get six extra doses and hour prn, (yeah, I pushed that button!) Yet, of course, I felt worse than ever. Poison. Yeah, I felt poisoned. Couldn’t stay awake, carried a bag around w/ me like a purse w/ the pain meds in it everywhere, it was connected internally in my body! Real fun showering like that!!😳 Not! So I finally said “Enough!” After hospice kept coming in here every other day looking @ me like, “Aren’t you Dead Yet?!” So I fired hospice, got the iv out- WHOA!! Even trading that for 18, 8mg. Dilaudid pills per day w/ 8, 10 mg. Hydrocodone, AND diazepam, I Still hit w/drawl hard!! FNA Man! I couldn’t believe it! (Mind you, I’m still being told I’m gonna die soon) Soooooo, Sorry, I wasn’t gonna write this long, guess it’s a purge. So Thank You For This. Anyway, I am OFF the dilaudid, the vicadin, and so far the diazepam,
AND………I’m Still Alive!!
Kratom comes From Heaven And Heavenly People! God Bless You All!!
We Can Do This! Together…💫
I think God sent that message to you for us! Thank you!!
EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!!
I am Anonymous but just a note, I was on methadone for 12 years or more for pain management along with triggerpoint injections. That was all that helped me with living in constant pain. Still have the same pain even worse as I stopped 3- 5 years AGO cold turkey , but not recommendation unless you have a Great Wife or support God Almighty. Never the less have had several Heart Attacks, By-Pass Surgery, PArtial Lung Removal, 9 Stents, 4 Rotator cuff Surgeries and I am wipped. ALso I have Multiple Disk issues Siatic nereve issues. Also Bone Spurs C5-C7. I have to take Kratom just to move forward as I am full time care taker of my Beloved Wife. I am 61 she is 73 and we are wore out. I Will continue to take Kratom to get some relief. I wish I could go back to 50-70 MGm of methadone a day which I never missed a day of work for my back, Shoulders or Siatica issues. I was offered more meds during my total Rotator Cuff Repair as it was tore off the bone in 2011. I worked for another 4 months like that. No one ever ask why does anyone take meds and get dependent or addicted. But no Hope is the Answer. God In Jesus Keeps me Going. But We Are in a Fallen World. Don’t Believe it has it gotten any better or worse in your lifetime. Anyway, Didn’t mean to ramble, but unless someone is actually walking in your shoes they aint gotta clue Thank you, RS.AMEN TO YOU ALL!!!
Amen,
To all the people who need help. The whole Crisis was exaggerated by Media & Government DEA, FDA, ETC.
Does anyone understand that the FDA does not do any research on any Meds but takes the reports given to them by Big Pharma and makes their decision. Tramadol should not be in the Narcotic classification at all. Remember Darvocet? only took FDA 30 years to pull it for causing Heart issues. My Wife took Leveofloxin and to this day can hardly move. Poison. People need help with Chronic Pain but all the pain meds are being withheld because people take them for emotional help /pain as well as physical pain. The epidemic So called didn’t start till the FEDS put the clamps on Drs. and patients had to go to the Street to find Oxy or whatever. Now the dealers are putting Fentanyl in them without knowledge and take one and you may die. The FEDS have Created this mess but no one speaks a word about Alchol killing close to 80,000 people in Alchol poisoning in 2016 I believe. What a continued mess. Hope everyone finds the help they need. RS.
Been on subs for 4 yrs have weened down to 1mg a day but want off completely I’ve heard a lot of good about Kratom and really want to try it just don’t know what to get any help is appreciated
Ive been on suboxone for 5 years. I was on methadone prior to and basically the methadone wd were so bad I thought I was being smart and by day 15 no methadone I couldnt take it and started the suboxone. I would crush up the pills and snort them so I abused them for 4 of the 5 years. Theres been a time ive done 3 of the 8mg pills lile that in a day. For me thats a lot im a small framed woman and very short. So life kept happening and i got very fed up of things controlling me and so so sick of living in fear of being sick. If youre truly ready to be off the subs you can do it. Today is my 31st day. Im so fucking proud of myself. Ive used kratom to help. Now i never said its easy. Ive had some roughhhhh days but each night im sleeping more so im waking up better also each day that horrible feeling you wake up with is getting less and less. Im starting to get happy on my own and lm enjoing life more each day. I hope this helps you to realize that its itsan make it 31 days anyone can! Good luck! the kratom basically saved my life!
I quit subs on Red Bentaungie kratom. It really works. Been sub free since November. Any red will help with any WD symptoms and pain. I am happy to say I am a daily kratom user and nothing else. Trust me I’ve done every pain med under the sun. Good luck.
I just took myself off sub’s too and found any type of red strain works 100% well. Its worked for me and I’ve now been off sub’s for 2 weeks now!
I’ve been on Subs for 4 yrs I’ve been weening myself down I’m currently taking 1 mg a day but I want off of them completely and I’m scared shitless to go cold turkey I’ve tried before and couldn’t take it I’ve heard a lot of good things about Kratom and I’m wanting to try it but don’t know what to get it where to start any help would be greatly appreciated
Heather, Green Maeng Da is great! Think it could help you. Also only need be about a teaspoon to start. I take powder with juice. It helps me with anxiety, pain, & other issues I have. It calms you but also gives you energy & uplifts mood.
i was on subs as well and ended up getting kicked off, and i started using kratom to get off subs, and let me tell you it is what kept me going and helped immensely. i really didnt even feel sick
We have to fight it. Join the American Kratom Association and donate to help fight the wrongful bureaucracy that will make what works that is all natural a Schedule 1 drug…..which it is not!!! The govt. is being paid….the representatives to vote it illegal. We all have to stand up!!!!!
I am starting kratom today I have been on suboxone for 10 years and just don’t want to be on it any more I ordered the Red Maeng Da cause that’s what they said would aid in the withdrawal and the White Maeng Da for energy level. Can someone THAT HAS EXPERIENCE with this please tell me if this is going work or am I going to be sick when the divorce suboxone leaves my system I have 1 – 8mg tablet left but only going to take half today half tomorrow was on 2 a day. Thank you for any advice and info.
You really should wean yourself down and slowly transition to kratom. If you just outright stop that high of a dosage without knowing how much kratom works for you, you’ll make yourself sick. Feel free to email me, I’ll be glad to be your support [email protected]
Nichole,
I have been on subutex for two years. Due to my doctor retiring and me being done with the side effects of subs i decided to quit cold turkey. I waited til I started to feel the withdrawal symptoms and I took 4grams of red bentuangie kratom (which was recommend by my local kratom shop). I felt better within 30 minutes, no lie. I have been on it ever since and had almost no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. I know everyone is different but kratom worked for me no doubt and gave me my life back free of opiates. I hope this helps. Take care.
I was on 40mg of oxycodone a day and quit cold Turkey thanks to kratom but if you’re on high doses of meds you need higher doses of kratom. I started with 1Tablespoon of green Bali because I didn’t know what to take, and I read already in withdrawal. Within 15 min my withdrawals totally went away and I felt like I had just taken a pain pill. I experienced NO opiate withdrawals thanks to kratom. Now I take tsp a day to manage my pain. Kratom WILL stop all withdrawal symptoms
Hi. I suffer from chronic pain, fibroids and ovarian cysts. Can u guide me in the direction of good product? Currently new pain mgmt doc that isnt completely treating my pain.
It works. You need to wean down to 1mg of Sub a day. For the first 2 weeks+ you will be taking kratom all day and all night. But after 2 weeks of the sub leaving your system you will see small improvements. Unfortunately because of the Subs half-life it stays in your system a long time which makes the withdrawal symptoms linger. But consume the kratom regularly, as often as needed, to remain comfortable. I would say the only issue the kratom can’t solve is the insomnia. But your body is adjusting to its natural form, once you go through it you will only feel better as the days go on.
Just wondering how it’s going? I’m on day 2 of Kratom and no subs. I feel ok so far
Wonder if the FDA and DEA will schedule l the drugs called NSAID’s …ibuprofen! Can be purchased anywhere over the counter! Stats below
It has been known for some time that these drugs — called nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDs — have serious side effects and are a major cause of drug-induced injury. They are estimated to cause at least 16,000 deaths per year and send 100,000 people to the emergency room in the U.S.Jul 27, 2015
We have to fight it. Join the American Kratom Association and donate to help fight the wrongful bureaucracy that will make what works that is all natural a Schedule 1 drug…..which it is not!!! The govt. is being paid….the representatives to vote it illegal. We all have to stand up!!!!!