Kratom Strains And Effects
Updated Nov 11, 2021
Written By: Mark Andrews
Countless people across the world are learning about kratom in 2020. With so many strains, its important to understand which strain is right for you. Unlike synthetic opioids, kratom’s chemical composition is complex, and the effects of this composition are dynamic.
Its main alkaloids are mitragynine, paynanthine, speciociliatine, and the more minor 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG). Kratom’s neurochemical complexity is echoed in its physiological effects.
It is generally understood that at low doses (< 1 gram), kratom “can boost energy and enhance mood,” whereas at higher doses kratom is sedating, and may have anxiolytic qualities.
The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.
Click on any strain below to find more information:
Ground Leaf Strains
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Bali | An ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost. Bali works somewhat differently than a traditional red kratom. Bali helps achieve a gentle energy boost while maintaining the pain relief expected of a red. Euphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Maeng Da | Energizing and stimulating with pain killing effects. Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick because of it’s specific alkaloid properties. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Bali | Similar to Bali with some red characteristics. This is a known as a versatile strain. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Thai | Similar to Bali with a more classic red strain effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Kali | Sedating and more classically opiate like. Red Kali is a more traditional red kratom offering pain relief & relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Indo | Similar to Red Kali and many other traditional strains. Red Indo is a more tame red vein strain and is often touted as ideal for mild pain relief and relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Indo | Balances pain relief and energy boosting qualities. The combination of alkaloids in Green Indo creates a longer lasting milder effect although there is not as high of a concentration of alkaloids as SGM. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Malay | This original variety of Malaysian Kratom is well known for its mood-lifting, energizing effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Vein Kali | A stimulating strain which also has painkilling attributes. Green Kali delivers a strong boost of energy without sacrificing any of the sought after pain relief effects. It is know for have a higher potency than Green Indo. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Kali | More euphoric or dissociating. White Vein Kali is a milder white strain known for its energizing qualities – when compared to Red Vein Kali – while still containing notable pain relief qualities. . | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Thai | White Thai may be the most stimulating of all white strains. There are however less pain relieving attributes than a red vein strain or a strain similar to Bali as a trade off. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Indo | Similar to Red Indo which is best known for its pain relief attributes. However White Vein Indo differs from the calming Red Indo by bringing a euphoric dissociative kick with it. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Borneo | Known as a uniquely high quality white strain of kratom. It has known for its long lasting, energizing effect. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Super Green Malaysian | Known for its unique ability to combine the characteristic pain relieving properties of a red strain with the energy and euphoria boost of a white strain. SGM also has some of the longest lasting effects of any kratom with smooth delivery due to the high concentration of alkaloids. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
Kratom Extracts
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Ultra Enhanced Indo | Most euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety. UEI manages to contain a full range of effects including pain relief & relaxation with a slight energy and mood boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Gold Reserve Extract | Powerful extract made by applying highly concentrated kratom alkaloids back to natural kratom leaf. Gold Reserve is a highly potent extract providing a blend of stimulation and pain relief while providing full body relaxation with a notable energy boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| ISOL-8 Extract | ISOL-8 is an outlier and has caffeine like stimulation. ISOL-8 uniquely focuses in on the energy and stimulating effects of kratom while other extracts generally bring out a broader range of effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Ultra Enhanced Red Kali | This extract is made by blending pure alkaloids from Red Vein Kalimantan leaf with high quality Red Kali leaf. This is not made with semi-synthetic chemicals but only all natural kratom leaf alkaloidal extract. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced True Thai | Made from taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction of Thai Kratom and reapplied to a Green Vein Thai leaf. This extract is a high potency version of classic Thai kratom strains notable for a mild energy boost with significant pain relief & relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced White Sumatra | Created by taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction from white vein kratom and mixing it with White vein leaf. This reformulation results in a more potent version of white vein kratom with significant pain relief and relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
I have crohns, social anxiety,PTSD bipolar,manic depressant. I dont take no meds ,except green and white strainds of kratom.. my life has changed tremendously.
I using kratom as I was on dillaudid and a fent. Patch. My Dr of 18 years pulled my script overnight after missing one pill count on the day they asked. They started me on oxycontin at 19. I had a perfect record of managing my meds for 21 years. I thought I was going to die and almost lost my life. I was hit by a drunk driver at 19 and have a permanent back injury. I started kratom and unfortunately have to take 10 tablets a dose or more due to my tolerance. Does anyone else take this much? I will be so upset if they outlaw this as it’s the only thing I have to use to just get out of bed. Also has anyone tried “Trainwreck”? Just read up on it. Does anyone buy online? Thank u to all who shared your personal journey. It angers me that drs can put u on serious medicine and then pull it overnight! I want every pain Dr to have to take opioids for a year and then be pulled off so they know how people literally loose their life and go to street drugs! Happy 4th to all!!
Hi I’ve been on opiates for over 15 years from a severe accident. The last few years my tolerance has gotten so high Ive taken to buying more from the street as well as my script. I’ve finally decided to go off of them believing that the pain I have is no longer from the accident but truly from the withdrawal of the opiates themselves. I’ve been off for 4 days now and it’s been hell. But I got some kratom YAY At first it was just a couple grams that I had to pour in my mouth but today I got a great strain and I can actually say Im feeling pretty good. I’m a little concerned that this is going to make the withdrawal longer but I can’t really see how this is possible. Can anyone tell me if they actually used this to get off opiates but didn’t have to stay on this ? I only ask because I read that this can be addictive too and don’t want to go through this all over again.
Yes this shit works no lie!!! I was a total junkie injecting all kinds of junk in my body meth heroin fentanyl it didn’t matter. I decided I was done living every everyday dope sick and barely even alive. I started with 2oz of Red Bali, in my opinion Kratom and weed saved my life!! I can see the potential addictiveness it can create but for me it was mind over matter and telling myself not depend on it.
If you’re still having with drawl issues try blood pressure meds
I have a friend that kicked opiates completely using kratom. He still takes kratom but that’s a whole lot better then heroin.
Monique, back in Aug 2016, I decided to get off pain pills and switched to Kratom. My story is very similar to yours and I was able to get off the opiates with my withdrawal lessened, and three years later, I am still off them. I was so deep in the opiates, I thought I was going to have to go to a methadone clinic or some sort of rehab facility, but this stuff saved my life. I can’t recommend it enough, and it’s nice because if I run out of the Kratom, I don’t get withdrawals. The only feeling of withdrawal I get is in my head. I don’t get those horrible physical withdrawals when I run out, and I can function until I get more.
Hi Lucy. I’ve been off of opiates since Dec 2018 after close to 30 yrs. But, I’m still dealing with the everyday chronic pain. Which Kratom power do you recommend for the best pain relief. I appreciate any advice you can give me. Thanks, Char
Which strain did you use since you were on such high amounts of opiates before? Also, I have always had a super high tolerance for pain meds since the first time I had to take any. Many medicines just plain don’t work for me and and marijuana never has given me pain relief despite trying at super high doses. However, I found out after having a medical genetic test that I have the MTHFR mutation and I don’t produce seratonin. After taking 5-MTHFR supplement at a dose of 7500 I finally was able to reduce my pain medicine drastically. I am wondering if any of you that also have such a high tolerance, even though I understand you have built up a tolerance, may have this mutation also. It is a easy supplement to purchase and take.
Also forgot to mention that I do not get any type of high from my narcotics. I was taking 80 mg morphine and 120mg oxycodone. I never had withdrawls except for headaches and the pain that was no longer being taken care of. I am now down to 15 mg morphine x 3/day 30 mg oxy x 3/day from the prior dose which was also 3 times a day. This is why I feel I need the strongest strain available for pain. I also take Ritalin 20mg x 2/day. would any strains help the mental clarity and energy I received from this?
Hi Vicki,
Green Malaysian worked great for me after a 15 year opiate dependency. I stopped cold turkey after having been bumped up to almost 200 mg of MS a day with a 3 month rotation of 90 mg of Merhadone every 6 months. First thing first..DO NOT, I repeat…DO NOT MIX OPIATES AND KRATOM! My suggestion is that you do not start your clean, new life with Kratom until you are ready to let go of the opiates completely! Mixing the two can be/is a dangerous combo. Back to Green Maylay… my personal regimen was 2g to start then increased by 1g every 20 mins to titrate desired effect once I found that “sweet spot” it was a “never look back” moment for opiates. I realized I didn’t need all the meds the pain doc was giving me for 15 years because my pain was gone, I had energy and a “who gives a s*** attitude” to all the things that use to cause me anxiety. For the first time in many years I was able to focus on my son who is now 15 years old so due to opiates I missed him growing up, don’t get me wrong I was there but was I really? What is important is I’m here now thanks to Green Maylaysian Kratom. There are many different subcategories of Kratom but I think a green strain of some type would be what you are looking for. Sorry about the lengthy soapbox.
Hello Vicki!
I myself have a very high tolerance and had a back surgery in 2015 and then work comp injury causing me to get ankle replacement. I read what you wrote about then genetic test….how do I go about that as I know if off …I feel it and I now have CRPS from the trauma from ankle and the pain is the worst pain anyone can have according to doctors while going thru testing. Now my left leg has the nerve pain….please let me know which strain you found to be best to help and the testing. Thank you for sharing!-
What strain? I have severe pain and I am new to kratom! All my doctor gives me is tramadol and it don’t help!
Hey there buddy! Good job coming to that realization, I’m trying to make my father see the same light. At one point in my life I unfortunately had a small run with fake/pressed pills (oxi) for about 3 months. Obviously I regret it and thank God I’m done with them entirely, but I used Kratom (Red Bali specifically) to help me ween off the pills. It helped tremendously in my situation, and I recently got down to doing only 4 capsules a day, which is close to nothing in the Kratom world. It’s only taken 3 weeks to feel like I don’t need them (pills or Kratom) anymore. Now, your case is a tad different due to your accident, however, I believe it will help with the withdrawals significantly. Best of luck, and you’re all in my thoughts/prayers
Monique I have not taken this awful stuff there is too much negativity surrounding it. I have however been addicted to opiates and heroin for some years, but have been sober for 4 years now. Except I am on methadone treatment and though this is not something I plan to stay on for the rest of my life being in this treatment has helped me get a head in my life. Plus being in treatment where the medication is controlled so when I decide I no longer need to be on methadone I have a group of people that go through the detox process with me. The medication is reduced as fast or as slow as I need and I have a counselor to talk to a doctor or nurse to express the physical withdraw symptoms concerns and if I am coming down too fast that can be slowed down or even stopped or put on pause for as long as I need. Granted its still going to leave me feeling a little crappy its better than full blown withdraw that with methadone can last a long time (month to months). I have heard from people that took Kratom that its horrible and painful and they would not recommend anyone using this especially as a replacement to opiates or heroin. I suggest get off this stuff ASAP if you can. And the way things are going with this stuff it maybe made illegal sooner than people realize. 13 countries (including the country it comes from) have BANNED this stuff which should tell you right there its all bad. If you need resources please contact me i’d be happy to help where I can. my email is [email protected]
If you haven’t tried, your opinion is worthless. I see you give great attention to what “others ” say. Since you have not experienced it for yourself you have no right to influence others.
Lisa B, I have looked all over for similar opinions to yours about kratom, and the only places I’ve found them are at pharmaceutical-based websites; so I can’t help but think you’re a shill for such a company. I’m really surprised that you would advocate, in a roundabout way, the use of controlled methadone treatments over kratom, since methadone itself is an opioid (and has significant withdrawal effects), and kratom is not.
The reason its banned in Thailand is because of the opium trade. Their Gov’t wasnt making all the money they once did because the Thai ppl started using Kratom instead of opium. It soothed withdrawal and gave a boost of energy along with pain relief. It was free growing and easy to use. When the Gov’t figured this out… they banned it. Theres alot of info on this subject, u just have to look. Goodluck with your chemical romance. ~☆~✌💞🐾
I’ve got cervical kyphosis and bulging disk all down my spine from a car accident. All they will give me is steroids and muscle relaxers, I made them give me something stronger in the er, tramadol which didn’t do shit but help me sleep when I did. But kratom actually took the sharpness of my pain and dulled it down. So it’s not as intense. I’ve tried other pain killers before and nothing will help. Kratom is my last hope really and it’s still expensive as hell. Suicide is a daily thought from this chronic pain.
Lisa B AH-Mazing!!!! After reading through literally HUNDREDS of LIFE ALTERING, and LIFE SAVING Testimonials on THIS SITE ALONE about the beneficial attributes of Kratom, YOU come along and drop some random Black Cloud! So, everyone here, according to your words of wisdom would be better off sticking with (and possibly DYING from overdosing on) Methadone, Suboxone, Fentanyl, or any and all Opioids? Because they are LEGAL??? HA HA HA HA HA! According to your doom and gloom rationale, Kratom MIGHT BECOME BANNED in the USA at some RANDOM POINT IN THE FUTURE. SO, we are ALL SUPPOSED to immediately STOP SEEKING out HEALTHY ALTERNATIVE LIFE SAVING OPTIONS to BIG PHARMA induced ADDICTIONS, such as Kratom, Until it MIGHT BE BANNED? God Bless the Ignorant…
Evening, i was prescribed 120 mg’s of Percocet for 13 years. I developed a tolerance over the the last couple of those years and would often have to take more to get the same pain relief. I started using kratom to stop using opioids and it worked! The 1st couple of weeks were tough but nothing compared to total withdrawal. I was able to sleep w/o the horrible leg cramps. I’ve used red leaf kratom for the last 4 months and have been off of opioids. I’ve tried red, green and white. Red seems to work best for me as far as pain relief. Good luck.
Yes it can be hard to get off kratom, my suggestion is to taper off, and most importantly Focus Your daily perspective on everything except the substance and how it feels! Withdrawal is the worst mental warfare a person can go through, but then, boom! It’s over. You can do it! I did
You need to switch up the color vein of kratom you are using. It’s called “same strain syndrome”. Switch kinds for a few days you will notice a huge difference. Source – we have a shop here called the kratom shop and it’s what they specialize in. This info came from them to me.
Hi wonder if your shop you buy from ships. Thanks!!
A fuckin men! PREACH! That last bit about the doctors!!!!!! I couldn’t have said it better myself
Hi everyone,. I went from taking 15 to 20 roxy’s a day. Some from the dr. Then the rest off the street. Nevermind the TIME, EFFORT, THE MONEY, OR HOW ABOUT THE LIES, STORIES, THEFT, DEBT i put myself in. I wind up losing my wife and children. I have 2 beautiful girls at home i lost to pills. Then i was turned on to HEROIN and needless to say my life got worse. Im living in my mother’s house i have my own apartment and i eat all my food thru a microwave. My life SUCKS GUYS AND GIRLS …… 2 months ago my buddy bought me a bag of kratom. Can i say its been 8 weeks DRUG FREE EVERYONE !! i want my family back and kratom is going to help me achieve that goal. I wish all good luck my prayers go out to all. God bless
Hey dude. I was literally on a 10 per dose 10mg Vicodin. I was on the verge of losing my family and children. Kratom fucking works. ,but…like my juul which is in my mouth all day. I did quit smoking a pack and a half a day. But juul now. Same with kratom. I drive for UPS. I’ve been clean for 2 years because of kratom. But because kratom is so natural taking everyday is okay. I don’t mind taking kratom for the rest of my life as I use it to work out and work in general. You’re going to be fine. Find your strain that suits you. Mine is Green vein . And never look back. We could spend money on all kinds of dumb shit anyway. What’s wrong with spending it on kratom.? Be strong homie. It saved my life
Awesome!! Please please please 🙏 I wish you all the best. YOU CAN DO THIS I lost my son 19 months ago to heroin/fentanyl overdose. He was a commercial bricklayer, started out on oxycontin back in the day…
That is awesome! Just stick to the kratom and your actions will speak louder than your words!! Im sure your family will notice a change in you for sure. I wish you the best of luck, and i will 🙏 🙏 🙏 that you are strong enough to stay away from all that bad shit and if you do the right thing, good things will start to happen. I wish you the best of luck. Susan
Man I can relate I was almost in the same situation as you a beautiful wife and two beautiful little girls and an awesome son…. was taking 10-15 percs a day at the end. Researched a lot online I felt like I was losing my family I was…. got doc to prescribe me clonidine for opiate withdrawals and bough some red Bali Kratom. Went from 10-15 percs a day to none . No fuckinh withdrawals at all .all the other times I tried it was too much lain and depression t bear. Clonidine and kratom saved me I’m happier than I have been in five years. Marriage is great kids love me again. I feel like I want to cry haha
Awesome I pray everything works out!!!
Wonderful! I sincerely hope things work out for you! I use Kratom also and yes it works for me ! Great for my pain! Dont know what I would do without it!So glad you found it! Probably saved your life! You just keep on doing well!
Hi Kelly,
I do have to take a lot because of my opiate addiction. I start the mornings with 12 grams and then just do 6grams for my mid day dose and night time dose. For as long as you were on the pain meds it will probably be a while before your tolerance drops and you can take less. I’ve taken kratom for about 5 years and had opiate addiction for 7. I’ve been clean for about 2 months but my tolerance is still really high. Hope that helps! You’re not alone, remember that!
I take between 10-15 a dose. Have fibromyalgia and other old injuries. Was on norco or Percocet and some form of muscle relaxant for almost 3 years, all prescribed by my doctor, never went in early for more, then like you, they stopped prescribing… lyrica helps a bit with the fibromyalgia, but even with my insurance, I can’t afford it. Kratom has literally saved my life as well! I really hope they do t make it illegal either, I will be screwed!
Which strain of kratom do you use for your fibromyalgia?
Try reaching out to some of your local tea shops that sell Kratom And see what they recommend
I was introduced to kratom about a year ago and have since gone through several bags of product. I had no prior experience with opiates, pills, etc… , but I was a very heavy drinker up until about 4 months ago (today is day 113 with no alcohol BTW). Anyhow, the person who introduced me to kratom had no real experience himself, so we started off with 1 tablespoon of powder and then quickly progressed up to 2 heaping tablespoons. It was not until I discovered that my food scale could measure in grams that I became aware that my standard dosage was 16-20 grams, which seems to be an incredibly high dosage for a relatively “newbie” given what I have seen other users post online as recommended dosages. Foolishly I considered 1 TBS as “microdosing”. My liver may have another opinion, but I’ve seen no ill effects thus far. Going to start cutting it back to 1TBS as a regular dosage, but I do like the feeling given by the 2 tablespoons. The best way to consume it is with chocolate milk. It doesn’t completely dissolve and is still kind of lumpy going down, but it definitely helps with the taste.
Mix it with chocolate syrup first then the milk and thank me later
To : Shayman, yea I was in the same boat as you once were… so what did you mean by your Liver had another opinion ? When I first start Kratom I ended up in ER very sick… My liver function was incredibly High… i had to stop the toss n wash. I was taking way to much I think as well… I also had high Magnesium levels.. so i drink tons of water for a few days i had the liver function test repeated again and I was normal.. so a few days later I started using Kratom again but this time I used the fillable teabags I purchased from amazon , brewed tea in my cup… bags had 3 teaspoons of kratom in them.. i had a cup 3 to 4 times a day… but i wasnt getting the pain relief I needed so went back to mixing the powered with warm water, shaking it in a shaker cup.. then chugging down… my dose is now 1 tablespoon plus 1 teaspoon … 3 times a day… I use red bali , yellow changing ever few days. I do measure with measuring spoons… yes I am afraid my dose is very uncommonly high compared to what most use… so what was the issues with your liver? and any one else have weird lab results back?
I was on 140mg daily methadone. 1 take mine in pill for as welll. 10 of them 3x a day
David, I just bought the capsules today. Was told of Kratom by an acquaintance and she swore that it saved her life. I was literally calling around looking for no-cost or low-cost treatment centers as I am circling the drain thanks to Oxy. Anyway, made up my mind that I am DONE, found a center early today, and through conversation with someone, found out about Kratom, so ran to buy some. Anyway, you say you are taking 10 at a time? Then 3 times per day? So, 30 per day? Is that the 600mg capsule, may I ask? I need help with dosage and that is what I bought. The 600mg capsules from Kono Labs. Any guidance would be appreciated.
Hi I take 166 of methadone did you ween down before you started taking kartom
My name is bobby im from south carolina and i was taking 150 a day of methodone. Yes you need to ween down but it will help with withdrawals but dont stop cold turkey. Now that im off methodone i feel a hundred times better and have lost weight.
Kelly, can’t even come close to touching your level of pain management. But I’m currently trying several different strains trying to find that just right one. Currently on red vein, and take 8-10 capsules three times daily. And feel like I’m wasting money cause I have to take so much to kill any of the pain and then sometimes I feel like I’m just taking a placebo. As there is no difference
Chris, since I have such a high tolerance for opiates also I would like to let you know how it works for me once I try it. If I find it works then I would suggest you either get the genetic testing for medical purposes and find out if you have the folic acid gene mutation. Or you could just try the supplement to see if it works. I was able to drastically reduce my pill consumption after taking 5-MTHF 7500mg daily. Went from 80mg morphine x3/day plus 120mg oxy x3 daily to 15/30 x3 day and moving down. Let’s see if we can help each other. I am ordering now. BTW marijuana never worked on me and I never get high with any med. If you do try the 5-MTHF supplement start with 800mcg and work your way up after 2 weeks intervals. Double, then get a higher dose/double. You can go up to 10,000mg. Just stop when you feel it is working and do a little research.
All about switching the color, I’m a 20yr opiate addict. Started with Vicodin as a teen and opiates became a daily thing from 14yrs old to 34yrs old. Used to take 10 norcos at a time 6 times a day. Then came heroin, then I was on methadone 105mg for 3 yrs and detoxed all the way to 20mg n then just quit taking it. Couldn’t take the wdrawls cuz they lasted more than 9 days. Got on Suboxone, then subutex, I was snorting 8 to 12mg of buprenorphine a day for 7yrs. Slowly weened down to half a mg and stopped, waited till day 3 when I could take the wdrawls and tried some Red Bali Kratom. It worked! But…. It only worked for about a week, I learnred about switching the color and boom! Went from Red Bali to White Maeng Da and it was like the first time all over again. Red Vein is hella strong and Green Malay is cool if you switch from Red Bali. My colors are usually Red Bali for 5 to 7 days then I switch to White Maeng Da. Every now n then I go for Red Vein, I tried Trainwreck but it’s just a bunch of different colored capsules which quit working in 3 days. So yes if it’s feeling like a placebo just swap colors n you should be ok. Btw I take 9 capsules 2 to 3 times a day
Hi Kelly sorry to hear about your situation. I use trainwreck at least once a day for a little energy boost and pain relief. It also helps a little less than other strains with my anxiety. Since I’m a long time medical opiate user I prefer a large dose of Bali first thing as it’s the most opiate like.
Hey, Kelly!
I’m so sorry about your doctor doing what he did. They can rally be assholes, can’t they! I’m very angry about my last experience with having my meds pulled, but I have nothing on you, kiddo.
From what I understand, five grams (ten capsules) is a fairly normal dose; you take a higher dose if you want more euphoric effects.
I happen to take a lower dose (five or six capsules- two and a half to three grams) two or three times a day. I think one’s need for kratom can vary pretty widely, depending on experience and strain. I am just beginning to see just how differently I react to different strains!
The nice thing about taking kratom for chronic pain is that, instead of needing more and more, users tend to need either the same amount or less as time goes on. Another nice feature of kratom is that many strains give you some energy and mood lift with your pain abatement.
I hope this helps, and I hope that kratom helps you more than opioids did. I know that it works that way for me. Best of luck.
Sabra
I take 10 a day as well.
I had a similar experience, but luckily had other sources for meds, though I eventually got off them myself, and I also had a very high tolerance, I used suboxone to get off opioid meds, then took nothing narcotic for 7 months, however I still have bad pain from breaking my back in a car accident, I recently tried Red Bali Kratom and it does help a lot better than meds like Advil or any other OTC meds. Red Bali is the only strain I’ve tried, but it works. Also, I would ween down slowly on Kratom, it’s been outlawed in a few states already & it won’t surprise me if it’s banned nationwide!
Damn that’s heavy. I agree though every Dr should have to go through it so they can understand what purple go through because they’re just looking at it from the outside and can’t fathom what kind of pain we go through because they can’t measure it or quantify it through numbers.
I truly hope it all gets better for you. But does this stuff really make a big difference? Because thus far all I’ve seen is talk and promises of products that will work. Followed by pain and disappointment from the products, 11 surgeries, acupuncture,various food diets, teas, patches, other weird things and processes i went through and literally 25 medications that never worked or had very adverse effects. So i feel very leary of trying new things at this point. I really wanna hear how it made a difference for you and where. Thank you for posting.
Phillip
You are not alone. I started with three tabs and worked my way up to 12-14 tabs.. I now dose with 1 level TBSP, every 4-6 hrs. I am currently in the midst of tapering down. I also was hit by a drunk driver and was hooked on pharmaceuticals for years along with alcohol, sending me to rehab several times. i can report, I am sober from pills and alcohol for 8 years, thanks to Kratom..
I posted a reply to your message. It is accidentally entered several entries down. It is under Pogi, if you wish, you may contact me via e-mail.
I also was on heavy pain meds 180 ir 30mg oxy and 120 40 mg oxymorphone for 10 years and then nothing methadone for 4 years taking 280mg liquid a day highest dose ever in this clinic being opened then i screwed up there ajd got kicked out found kratom and was in heaven i wish i would of known about kratom be the methadone cause i almost died withdrawing on my own and i mean that literly was evently hospitalised so your not alone but i take 30 grams of powder a day in the morning and at night and i found its the only thing that works for RLS but dont know if youve stopped taking kratom because its almost as bad as coming off the pills you take care and good job staying off the PKS
Kelly, long story short, I have chronic pancreas problems due to medical error and have been taking Kratom for a while now. In and out of hospitals on IV dilaudid. When coming out, nothing for pain. I thought i would die. Trainwreck is great, but when you are getting to a point where it isnt working as well because there are so many different strains, try switching to a white or red strain to change it out. Also try chuchuhuasi or akuamma along with it. You can get both on amazon. I am also a Master Herbalist and have done my research. These are also wonderful for pain, but please follow any contraindications that apply to you.
I feel you. I’m on the same boat. I’m taking premium Bali so far,8 capsules 3-4 times a day for 2 days now. It makes me very nauseous & gives me stomach pains. But, I do feel the euphoric & semi pain relieving qualities. I still have a few of my morphine left which I take right when I wake up because I wake up in full withdrawals. Miserable & in excruciating pain. I haven’t had a day without the morphine yet so idk if its gonna hold back my withdrawals or not. Definitely doesn’t last all night while I sleep. Basically every 000 sized capsule is about .5 gram. So 8 is about 4 grams. Should I be taking more when I run out of morphine? I have severe chronic degenerative pain with CRPS,MS, and much more. Doctors pulled me for no reason at all..I feel like if I go into full withdrawals I will die. Last time there was a problem with my insurance paying for my meds, I went 8 days without them & DID ALMOST DIE. Thankfully I was in the hospital when my heart stopped. & they revived me. Don’t let them fool you into believing you can’t die from opiate withdrawals. The symptoms of withdrawals can kill you. Drs lie to everybody about that. Please help me
Any info will be greatly appreciated.
-Rain
I tried trainwreck and was highly disappointed but everyone is different
Trainwreck saved my aso when my tolerance for my favorite strains shot up, buuuuuut it feelsdifferent every time I take it, like it’s not blended enough?
I was going to a pain management dr. for the last 4 years. Like many people who use Opiods regularly, I developed a tolernace. I started taking my script more often than what it’s prescribed for, and every month..like clockwork..I would go through widraw until my script was refilled. My sister suggested I try Kratom. I tried a few different strains, not only didn’t it make my horrible side effects go away, I will not ever take another hydro again.
I was on Hyrod 10’s.
My kratom of choice is: The white MD
I also found a similar relief with the Bali
I was skeptical and no one wants to waste money trying something out.
How would I describe kratom? It feels like what my hydros did. It gives you a euphoric opiate feeling, relieves pain, and even better. .I actually have energy and I’m social again.
I have bought both online, and from my local smoke shop. The strains seem consistent from brand to brand. I hope this helps someone who is thinking of trying it.
How much do you dose with the Kratom? If you don’t mind me asking. TIA Mike.
You wrote “not only didn’t it make my horrible side effects go away, I will not ever take another hydro again.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you meant to write:
“not only DID it make my horrible side effects go away, I will not ever take another hydro again.”
I’m only pointing this out because I think it could confuse some people, because the rest of your post is describing how much Kratom has helped you. 🙂
Two of my friends just introduced me to kratom and I had never heard of it. I just lost my medical insurance and I’m looking for something to help with mood stabilizing, alcohol cravings and weight loss. I’ve been reading that white vein Thai and green or white Maeng da are good for energy and weight loss.. any suggestions?
I used red Maeng Da for alcohol cravings, and had absolutely none. It wasn’t anything huge, like a drug. Maybe slightly relaxing, but not like drug-like in any way to me. Still don’t have cravings though, and fell asleep more naturally. kratom can be addictive too, and there is a rebound, I would take 4 to 6 grams of high quality, then see if you need it again.
Anything white vein or green would be perfect
Could someone please answer!!
I’ve got white Maeng and green Maeng white Malay and green putat. How to get euphoria please reply
Gold opms!!!
I use gold on extract and my tolerance is high. Looking for a substitute to gold on. Any suggestion?
Take them all
The green gives you the most euphoria Bali green or Borneo green
The Red strains are the most “euphoric”, if it’s an opioid like euphoric feeling you’re looking for. In my personal opinion, Red Bali, but I haven’t tried all the red strains, but I’m going on what I’ve read & been told by from Kratom producers.
Check this out TiffTaff. The only thing you can be sure you aren’t wasting your money, is go into a local headship and buy the opms liquid kratom shots. They’re expensive……but so is heroin so let’s not worry bout price.
Haha I love it. As a long one kratom user this is one me of the most well put responses I’ve read “They are expensive but so is heroin”
A even or close to even or the 2 i studied kratom 3 months up and down i take 4 grams twice a day but i use it aswell for pain to get off a 15 yes opiate addiction and helps other cravings i have had to stimulants i am no dr i am heavy so depending on ur weight and tolerence . Start out with a gram of each i do 2 grams of each making it 4 grams every six hours its great
I too am an ex heroin addict and I tried kratom before but I dont I don’t know which one is the best I don’t know what strain I should get I was going to buy it on the website of Kraken kratom and I have no idea which strain is the best for what I need as I said I need it for pain as well as to come off of Suboxone for withdrawals but I don’t know which is the best one one that will give me a euphoric feeling and help with withdrawals and pain
I have used powdered Green Maeng Da and CBD OIl when I have had to wait on oxycodone refills. The kratom works pretty well on its own, especially for pain, but the addition of a couple droppers of CBD OIl a few times a day is a huge help in managing the heavier withdrawal symptoms.
This week after moving here to TN from CT I had taken my last 16th of suboxone after being prescribed it for 3 years.
Today is day 4 and with literally no sleep the past 3 days I finally got the idea to buy some red vein bali, for the 1st time in a week I feel NORMAL!!
Its not a high feeling but i feel much less on edge and i think might actually get some sleep now.
Not planning on continuing to purchase Kratom, not looking to replace one monkey with another but for a legal alternative to WD it cannot be beat.
Good luck to all..damn i feel good.
I am on day 4 of sub use for 2 yrs and i been taking the maenge da with cbd oil and it takes the edge off..i too am only planning to do this for the first 7 days then stop but man…it helped lessen the blow
about a year ago i tried to come off subutex using kratom, i took the kratom for 2 weeks and it helped so much i had no withdrawal symptoms, until i ran out and i had terrible withdrawals and i thought it was from the kratom so i gave up and went back to the subs, but i’ve recently learned that sub withdrawals last anywhere from 2 weeks to even a month, so i don’t believe i was withdrawling from the kratom but when i came off the kratom i was actually still withdrawling from the suboxine, it hadnt got all out of my system yet and the further along you get the worse the withdrawal symptoms become so I’m going to try the kratom again and do the kratom for 3-4 weeks. I wanted to reply to comment bc a week may not be long enough you may have to stay on the kratom for a little longer bc it takes a long time for the sub to completely get out of your system, and i would hate for you try it for a week and it not work and then you give up and continue living dependant on subs, if your ultimate goal is to get off of subs for good my suggestion would be to stay on kratom for 3-4 weeks and even on the 2nd week you could go longer in between your doses bc it may not take that long so just see how your body feels after the 2nd week. I’ve heard you can have withdrawals from kratom too but they’re closer to opiate withdrawals only lasting 3-4 days, which is much better than weeks, i can handle a few days of withdrawals but i can’t handle weeks of it, i also don’t think the kratom withdrawals are as bad as sub withdrawals, i’ve withdrawn from opiates several time and they are a walk in a park compared to the damn sub withdrawals, hardest thing in my life to get clean from. I haven’t gotten off the subs yet but i’m going to try the kratom again but use it for 3-4 weeks instead of 2 and i really think i’ll be able to get off the subs this time, i’ve talked to numerous people and just about all of them has said they’re withdrawals from sub have lasted about 2 1/2-3 weeks so before when i tried the kratom and ran out in my 2nd week i was in the worst part of my withdrawal stage from the subs. Good luck to you i hope you’re able to get off the subs, and i hope my reply was helpful to you.
I was prescribed oxycodone 20 mg for pain. Greens work best for me.
Just keep trying strains and suppliers till you find what works for you. Kratom is very mild and other than feeling a dislike to certain strains, you will find best resilts that way. Im an ex heroun user myself and have been heroin free for over a year and have not had an active dope habit in three years, almost 4. I give kratom much credit.
Gold reserve or red bali or red Borneo will be best for u bro
Red Bali
I was taking 140mg of methadone for 4 yrs. I used a blend of red green and white and it actually took care of almost all of my W/D symptoms and allowed me to finally sleep. Before kratom I was taking dangerous levels of different sleep meds. With kratom I can now sleep.
Hi, my name’s David and I’m on methadone 90mg . Did you completely go to kratom with no more methadone? How much did you take of kratom each day to do this? I’m very scared I hope you can tell me it will help…
My dad has chronic back pain and is also an ex heroin addict.. He tried CBD and nothing was helping. I bought him the Red Maeng Da strain and he took 2 teaspoons and mixed it with 2 ounces of water or orange juice, and it’s been working for him and helping with pain! I highly suggest this strain!
Red veins would probably be your best bet. Bali is also very good for what your looking for
I just read where some was recalled due to Salmonella please check it out I’m pretty sure I read that brand and 2 others if you Google it
Really??? I mean really??? So people are becoming addicted to kratom??? I shot heroine and fentanyl for bout 17 years before i finally was fed up with it, i have been taking kratom
for bout a year now just bout every day and ive gotten no real WDs from it that even compares to opiate WD…the worst i say is the first 15 min after waking up if i dont take any, its like a mild hangover that goes away after im up moving around…kratom is a life saver and recommend it to all opiate addicts due to how cheap and plentiful it is…shit i would spend two to three hundred dollars a day in north philly buying
dope off the streets, check out north philly and what is known for and you see what im talking about since it is one place where drugs are sold in an open air market in front off police its crazy powerful dope in north philly its a very expensive habit unlike kratom where i get a 100 grams for a whopping 20 bucks…i cant believe people think that kratom causes any real WDs to complain about its more like a mild drunken night hangover and people drink all the time…kratom is a life saver as i said as long as you dont take to much at a time its safe to take…im just saying if you cant handle the mild dysphoria dont take and continue with your old opiate regimen and compare the two WDs and im sure you will see what im saying…
I don’t know if you will get this but or check actually but I too am an ex-heroin addict and I’m looking for the best kratom well the best strain to get there’s so many different ones
I had a 12 year IV heroin addiction. And you are lucky if you suffer no withdrawals from kratom. Ive been off the hard stuff and on kratom for 3 years and i most definitely get significant withdrawal symptoms from kratom and feel the need to take it for mental discomfort at well. So yes, people do get addicted to kratom. Granted, its not to the degree of a dope habit but it is real. Everybody is different dude. Consider yourself blessed.
What kind of Kratom are you taking? Are you taking extracts or just plain leaf/powder? I took Ultra Enhanced Indo for nearly 10 years and could never get off of it because of how addictive it is. Withdrawals were terrible! Which is why I recommend people to stay away from extracts all together. I’ve never known plain leaf kratom to addictive, though.
Plain leaf Kratom can also be addictive I feel more so a psychological addiction than physical…I can make it a couple days then that tiny voice says “you better get Kratom” I also notice my RLS start to come back, my neuropathy pain in my feet starts to remind me that it’s permanent but had been keeping its mouth shut while the Big Boss (Kratom) was close by. I have had two back surgeries plus had my tailbone removed I’m a 15 year opiate addict who quit cold turkey with the help of Kratom and havnt looked back. I have been pill negative and Kratom positive for about two years..I have yet to go through that last opiate WD from quitting and during the 15 years I went through many. However, as I mentioned there is a WD involved with Kratom and I think the severity depends on how long your opiate receptors have been fed. For someone who never had an opiate addiction I think Kratom WD could be kind of nasty..for those of us who have lived it (and lived through it) it is pretty minor, personally it’s the mental addiction and to narrow it down even more I think it’s just a need to taste Kratom..yep that’s right I am the 1 in 1000 that actually craves the taste of Kratom. Good luck to those just starting their “clean and sober” lives and to my fellow warriors hang in there isn’t life so much more tolerable when you are going through it with a clear head and the self pride of knowing you kicked opiates ass?!
I was addicted to H for a while and decided to go back to kratom,and only powder, which i started with for rls, sleep and anxiety. I used to be able to take 5g and be fine, but after h i have to take 10-20 per dose to not feel like garbage, i kept this up trying to ween off over time. But dropping doses or skipping them causes fairly bad withdrawl, nothing like opiates, but bad enough to chill, sweat, have trouble breathing, and not be able to work well. Enough powder over enough time gave me some nasty physical withdrawls personally.
Did using kratom help with the pain of detox? I’m physically Dependant on morphine due to pain from 3 diseases. I’m over the pill addiction, want my body and life back but the fear of double the pain doing to come off morphine has me frozen. I am in excruciating pain every second of everyday. If I’m just a few hours late taking my Pain pill I’m feeling it bad. Want true imput room one that’s went through this shit in real life not from a sales person promising that miracle that has those like me falling for it, spending money I can’t afford to waste of a bullshit promise
If you aren’t abusing your prescribed meds, you aren’t an addict. You may be dependent on it to live a normal life, like most people with chronic pain illnesses, but you aren’t an addict. There IS a difference. I myself have CRPS/RSD, and there’s no way I’d be a productive member of society without meds.
Green Malay has been the best for me. I am a recovering addict from high doses of pills every day for 8 years to shooting heroin for another 10 years. Kratom does work and its definitely a better life I’m living, it truly is a bit of a miracle in my life. It does create withdrawal symptoms if used everyday, however the withdrawal is like not having coffee and being slightly hungover. It is easily dealt with. I’m not robbing anyone or stealing or pawning everything I own to get kratom, so to me it’s a beautiful thing. Different strains do slightly different things, for me green malay has been my favorite. Good luck to you.
ABSOLUTLEY. 140mg of methadone daily. When I stopped with wasn’t easy kratom took care of almost ALL of my WD
Find a high-quality kratom distributor in your area, there are a couple in my town, or there’s an online resource. Stick with the leaf, and brew as directed, steep with a little lemon to coat for several minutes, then add near-boiling water to steep for 12 minutes. Red strains are the closest to opiates, and help with pain as well. White ones are more euphoric, and green are in between. ‘Red before bed, white, take flight, green, in between’. It helps with both significantly. Based on what you said, I would recommend starting with 4 to 7 grams, and adjusting from there. Red Maeng Da is my fav for this. Taky for at least one month, to ensure you are past the original addiction, and then titrate off.
Angela, I take Methadone 20 mg per day (one 5 mg tablet every 6 hours) plus one 7.5 mg of Hydrocodone per day, plus cortisone shots 4 times per year. I used to take double that dose of Methadone…before the FDA started cracking down on pain medication. To answer your question: I also wanted to get off pain meds and went through withdrawal 4 different times. But each time, AFTER completing withdrawal, my pain was so bad that I decided I need to be on pain medication. It is NOT withdrawal that bothers me…but the extreme, constant pain after all the pain meds are out of my system. In other words, if you have chronic pain, I don’t recommend getting off pain meds. The pain will still be there…but without any alleviation. I hope that helps. I am new to this site and I am thinking of adding Kratom to my Methadone regimen, because I want to stop getting cortisone shots. I don’t know if the Kratom will be strong enough. But I would not quit pain meds.
Ever take kratom for a while and stop? Has anyone noticed when they don’t take kratom what happens? Let me tell you something. I was addicted to opiods and used heroin for 2 years after rehab I relapsed and then I just stopped but my cravings were still there so I found kratom helped replace my previous addiction! It is amazing! No cravings and all my pain just dissipates and I feel sooo good, a nice warm feeling! The problem is after I used kratom and stopped I would get hot/cold night sweats. I couldn’t sleep well, I had mild restless legs (nothing compared to heroin withdraws) I would get chills throughout the day and I would feel very sad. For example I would go to work the next morning and I would find myself crying and feeling like my life is miserable and just have a burst of depressing emotions. Then after work I would take some kratom and feel better again. This didn’t happen all the time. Only sometimes for some reason. Anyone have a similar experience?
My friend has become addicted to kratom. Is this possible? She also has crazy withdrawals from it when she tries to stop taking it. I tell her she is addicted and she gets really defensive, says she can’t live without it. I’m just wondering what the long term side effects of kratom are and how much is too much to take on the daily? She takes around 6-8 grams three times a day. Any info would be helpful as I am a little concerned with the withdrawals and why they even happen if this is supposedly not harmful at all. Just wondering.
Hi Angie- right up front, I’m NOT a doctor, or medical provider- I’m a student in the medical field with personal experience, so your friend should see someone at a clinic for professional advice… (disclaimer), but thought it might be helpful to share this: there is a separation between physical dependence and addiction- it makes sense your friend is defensive, because her body basically does need it to function right now! Whatever the psychological relationship and need is with regard to Kratom, physical dependence is something you have to deal with even if you WANT to stop. Kratom as far as I know affects mu receptors (pain receptors that opioids like morphine affect). From what I have read, the way Kratom affects the opioid receptors is not as directly stimulating as things like morphine, Vicodin, etc.- some people say the withdrawal is better than pain medications.
Your friend definitely can live without it, but it is a very hard experience when your body has adapted to the influx of a painkillers. If you suddenly don’t have it it’s like you have a deficit and it’s awful. People have different reactions: flu-like feelings, restless legs, vomiting- when I came off prescribed long-term medication, if I didn’t lower doses slow enough, it felt like My nerves needed oxygen and I was suffocating from everywhere in my body without the relief of dying. So I understand the statement “I can’t live without it”. You CAN come off of it with tapering though! If your friend lowers her dose a little at a time, setting goals, at whatever pace she needs, her body will eventually adjust. There are even support medications to make it more tolerable. Again, I don’t know her medical history, other medications, etc- so if there is someone she can check in with that’s good! Best wishes for your friend!
Good reply Millie, I was about to say the same thing and to make a long story short; whether prescription and/or recreational drugs – in my opinion – are all susceptible to get one addicted and this includes good old Marijuana (Maryjane). One must slowly get off “something” or “someone” or else you’re heading for trouble. And if you disagree with me regarding the weed thing – I have seen my son go through mad withdrawals in front of me, because of wanting to get off pot. Symptoms; same as getting off heroine. Hey, no two people are alike and we are all unique. Give your body a chance and “listen” to it before going cuckoo mentally and emotionally first.
I spoke to my Neurologist about taking Kratom (I use maeng da strain) He said to be aware that I cannot just stop it, I need to wean myself off of it just like an opioid. I have MS, and find my chronic fatigue is almost erased. I have energy, and clarity, and some pain relief.
Are you trying to say that pot withdrawal is the same as heroin withdrawal? if you are im here to tell that they are not even close. I quit heroin after many years and it is nothing like quitting pot not even in a long shot. Heroin withdrawal is one of the woese experiences of my like yelling in pain for days puking no sleeping or eating i could go on and on. It’s not like the movies you don’t just get over the withdrawals in three days and go get a job. They last for days mine were over 7 then there is no sleep for weeks and cravings so bad they feel like a type of withdrawal then after all that the bad depression sets in which can last up to two years while brain heels.
Do you take a red or a green strain ?
Yes. It is possible to become addicted to kratom. This is speaking from experience. Kratom is definitely habit forming at the least. Quitting cold-turkey after daily use can cause you to experience withdrawal symptoms such as cold sweats, chills, runny nose, anxiety, depression etc. Try quitting when life throws you a wicked curve ball and it could induce full-on panic attacks. Been there. I’ve taken kratom on-off for about 2 years. Mostly to relax, take the edge off life. I’ve never been addicted to opiates or abused them. I think kratom should be legal and available to all, however it carries with it risks and awards for those who use it and one must understand the potential risks and exercise good judgement while using it.
Anything that makes you feel good can be addicting. Straight out of ‘A Leaf of Faith’. Chocolate is addictive, or I should say ‘habit forming’. It just makes sense. No longer do I struggle with the ethical question of addictive. My mind is at rest. Kratom gives me so much. My quality of life is good. Excellent, actually, except I have pneumonia right now. Smiling.
First she should check the actual dosing, she’s taking way too much. With kratom you find out the least amount that works and stick to that. Also, I’d be cautious about what else she is taking, this would be the worst symptoms I have ever even heard about with kratom.
I agree with James. I would also like to add that it’s very important to listen to your body and not just assume what someone else says is best for your body or mind. Yes. She’s taking too much! And James is right; it’s VERY important to understand all the other medications that she’s taking. People don’t realize that you can get into problems with combining medications. Especially, antidepressants, anti-anxiety drugs, bipolar medications. The less combination of drugs taken, the less risk for serious side-effects. Combining drugs is a risk for also causing liver damage. Remember. alcohol is also a drug and can have terrible effects when combined with other drugs. And obviously, we certainly can take too much. We live in a society that says ‘more is better’. Wrong! Start with LOW doses and gradually increase. But not too much. I think some want that high feeling, but after awhile you should give up on the high or you’ll end up taking too much. And yes. I do take Kratom. I was patient with Kratom, starting out with low low doses. Then for the next couple of hours, I concentrated on how I felt. Now, I take a maintenance dose of Kratom and refuse to take more. I embarrassingly discovered one time that taking 1.5 grams at the same time caused me to throw up. Now I spread it out over the day. And I no-longer get that high feeling, but I do feel much more functional and my quality of life is better. I personally will not take more than two grams a day. And I wait 6 hours before taking another dose. It’s been a Godsend, but like all things we ingest, we should be closely monitoring our dosages and not take too much.
I would tell her to up her dose! Her brain is in recovery now and eating something with exta nutrition aka kratom heals .
Hi Angie, I am an RN and it most definitely sounds like your friend has a severe addiction. That’s quite a high amount to be taking. Keaton activates on the opioid receptors in your body, so while it is not a classic opioid or opiate it does have similar effects. When your brain gets fed this supplement for so long it no longer produces its own chemicals to cope with pain. She needs to get some help, any substance can be addictive, it may not even be the Kratom per day, it could be her own chemical makeup.
This happened to me but I was taking Ultra Enhanced Indo, a very potent kratom extract. This has a very high addiction potential and the withdrawals can be pretty bad if it is taken on a daily basis and stop abruptly.
Which strains did you take?
I never really took non-extract kratom… which was a big mistake because my tolerance is so high that regular kratom doesn’t work for me . From what I have read there seems to be very low addiction potential in regular, not extract kratom.
Yes, kratom does produce withdrawal symptoms. Mild compared to other opiates, but uncomfortable nonetheless. Taper off, just like any other opiod
What is the best strain for major back pain? I thought the Maeng would be but I am starting to rethink. I just need to find a strain to really help my husband. Also he is 6 foot 8 and 300 pounds so what would you think as a dosage?
Lastly, what is the best for mild pain and to give energy?
Red Bali for the back pain. Any white or green strain for the energy/slight pain relief. Start with 6-8 grams. Wait an hour before u add to that original dose.
6-8 grams is too much for a brand new user. It takes trial and error. Not just go straight to the high dose of 6-8 grams. Your body and mind need to build tolerance. As your husband is a large, tall man, I’m sure 6-8 grams is fine. . .in a month or two. Not right out the gate.
Just so you know, I’m a retired nurse. Most of my career was as a medication and treatment nurse. With all pain meds and anti-depressants, doses were started out low and increased as needed.
Have you tried the red horned Maeng da? It’s like the red MD, but dried longer, allowing it to have higher pain relief or relaxation, if that makes sense.
I find that white strains in low dosage work great for back pain
Thanks, everyone, for the replies. Tried my first test dose today just to make sure I can tolerate it, so far so good. (Bad allergies/intolerances, so having no reaction is great!) Will try to come back and update for those going through a similar journey. So sorry to hear about other AVN/ON sufferers. I’ve had my bowel perforated, lots of bowel obstructions, too many major surgeries, and other very painful stuff, but there’s no pain like bone pain. So happy to hear it’s helped you, Vernon. Gives me hope. Thanks for your kind words, Christtienna.
How often or how do we take this? My wife likes it ! Usually the white vein Bali or borneo. ..
There are multiple ways to ingest Kratom. First, you may take the capsule form, which is quite convenient if you can’t handle the taste of pulverized leaf (most people can’t). You’d take 3-5 capsules to start. The other option is just taking 3-5 grams of the powder form, and mixing it in a COLD beverage. Anything over 100 degrees Fahrenheit will kill the alkaloids. Shaken, not stirred. I’ve heard people use apple sauce, pickle juice, and even Mountain Dew.
You’d take this as needed honestly, but I’d say start once a day. Be careful with the Kratom you’re taking, as some can have more complications compared to others. For example, taking too much of the red Bali can have severe consequences. And make sure you know what you’re getting!!!
Right On Lecia!
I take my Kratom just twice a day. Once in the morning and once around 1:00 or 2:00 p.m. I take 1.5 – 2 grams per 24 hours. If my pain is higher than usual, I will take Kratom 3 times a day, but never sooner than every 6 hours.
Hi Kiesha. May I ask why you have had so many bowel surgeries? I just had a perforated colon surgery and I’m scared I’ll have more. I took a lot of kratom and am wondering if that had anything to do with it. I also took pain meds off and on
Thanks for any info you can give
May I ask why you have had so many bowel surgeries? I just had a perforated colon surgery and I’m scared I’ll have more. I took a lot of kratom and am wondering if that had anything to do with it. I also took pain meds off and on
Thanks for any info you can give
I miss just learning about kratom but what I ve read has been nothing but good. It amazes why the features hasn’t legalized it. Unless they’re not getting their piece of their. But they legalize pothe and alcohol go figure. Which by the way kill more people..opioid and alcohol have never worked for me except landing me in jail and ruinìng my life. So i decided to try kratom. I’m à firest time user.I’ve heard a lot ofor good things about it so decided to give it a try. I hope I’m not disappointed? If I’m satisfied I will order more. Thank you
Well alcohol kills. Pot does not. Kratom is also safe but has opioid properties so it is essentially a safer opiate. Don’t fool yourself as if it is not addicting or doesn’t work on similar receptors and mechanics in the brain. It should be legalized, especially when the prescribed opiates kill and destroy lives. But I gotta give you the legit info. Peace amigo.
What’s all the talk about legalizing Kratom? I buy it from my local smoke shop. It got me off pain meds.
Yes, I buy it from the local smoke shop also. I just started using the green Kratom about 5 days ago to help with Subutex withdrawals. I started with five grams, but after about an hour had to take five more. I now take 10 grams per day, once a day. It has truly helped with my withdrawals and I feel great. However, with what I’ve been reading, it looks like I may be taking to much?? Please leave me your thoughts. Thank you.
Interesting. Kratom IS legal in my state. I think it’s only illegal in 5 or 6 states.
I’ve had osteonecrosis in more than 12 joints for 25 years. Am on fentanyl patches because I have no colon and don’t absorb long-acting meds. Want to get off opiates and on to kratom. Read red strains best for pain, but which ones do people recommend trying? Also, regarding opiate withdrawal, I heard one shouldn’t take kratom and opiates at the same time, but since I use patches, I can’t do that…they are always being absorbed through the skin. Anyone have experience with this or advice?
I’ve used Kratom to detox from opiates and it is safe to do them at the same time. I was told to start with small doses of Kratom while on the patches then increase the dose as you decrease the patches. I decreased by cutting pieces off and gradually cutting more until you are done. I mostly used the red strain because I didn’t know the difference but the white and green are great as well. The green gives me the energy that a small dose of opiates do but the red is more like what opiates feel like with a large dose. Hope this helps. Good luck!!
Kristy, I am interested in taking all 3 strains but I cant find all 3 in 1 capsule. Do they have them in 1 capsule? Thanks
Hey! I have a capsule machine I got from vitamin world and it is the BEST THING EVER!! I just buy the ounces of powder as they are cheaper than buying capsules. Mine makes 24 at a time and the capsules are 00 so they hold 700-900 mg
Most capsules are .5 grams. Most people take 4 -6 capsules at once. I don’t know of any companies that mix strains, but I guess you could buy multiple and just take one of each.
I buy a premium mixed red vein strain that is amazing. The company I buy from has a couple mixed strain types for sale. They have powder, caps, bottled shots and extracts. The premium red vein powder is what I buy because it works great for when I’m in bad spine/back pain. I mix a measuring spoon slightly heaped into 1/4 cup of hot water with peppermint extract and sugar or honey. Then I just drink it down. My pain is controlled with it when I need it about 2 to 5 times a month.
I wouldn’t take Kratom w opiates or alcohol. If you overdose it’ll be all the DEA talks about to support their claims that Kratom kills. Bad decisions like this are the reason they have open cases and they’re trying to made it a scheduled drug like pain pills. Be smart! Take one or the other not both. Red Maeng Da will help you with withdrawals from opiates. Start at a low dose and work your way up by a teaspoon every 1-2 hours until you feel “right”. You won’t need opiates and you’ll see what I mean.
Hey… I’ve been on heroin or methadone or subutex EVERYDAY for 20 plus years… I wanted to knowim taking the how do you know when you took to much… I just started my sample pack.. And I was sick as you know.. I’m taking Red Vein Malaysion and it’s like I took 2 Norco 10s…. But today.. I don’t think I took enough or too much.. I took a big table spoon like yesterday but my anxiety is very bad and shaking… I have sample pk. The whole nine… Somebody help.. Shakey as hell w stomach and bathroom issue’s… Plz help.. I’m a lost soul trying to find d my way back before the heroin… Shakey as hell again.. A lot of anxiety again… Mrs RN or any one who’s been here plz help.. My name is Meghann..i have a very high tolerance so I been taking since yesterday I didn’t know how much nasty powder to take so took heaping tablespoon and mixed with really sweet iced tea…. Is that to much… A heaping tablespoon in morning and at 3pm?.. Plz someone help me…
If you are experiencing anxiety from Kratom it means you are taking too much. One tablespoon is too much and you will experience anxiety while coming down almost every time. I would recommend to not exceed one TEASPOON. Even then one teaspoon is a large dosage so try to work your way down to half a teaspoon. Too much kratom will mess with your emotions. A reasonable dose such as 1/3 to 1/2 a teaspoon will help reduce your pain and keep your emotions stable.
I too have AVN in 6 joints with collapse. I had a FailedTRK replacement foyr years ago. I have not been able to get a moment of relief since the first fracture. I have no options to control it and am no longer able to walk. I’m 39 and live on my sofa. I would like to know, did you have success??? I am not able to find much online about pain control for avascular necrosis. It’s the most painful thing I’ve ever experienced and will ever experience. I do feel for you, my friend.
I am coming off a high dose of zubsolv and I have the red and green Kratom and I’m struggling does anyone have any suggestions
Sandra, I’m pretty sure zubsolv should not be used with other opiates. I’m only guessing here, but I don’t know if the kratom will work fully when on zubsolv. It does use some, but not all, of the same receptors, so you may have to do some research on this. You might try avena sativa to see if that helps with withdrawal symptoms until your dosage is lower and the kratom can better pick up the slack.
Sandra, taking 1/2 and 1/2 red and green Maeng Da capsules. They work. I’m not taking them together, but substituting just after having taken subs last night. Works just fine and feels VERY similar.
I have had AVN for 50 years and been going to a pain clinic,for 26 years. I just started taking kratom and am extremely pleased. I take the red and the green each are good for pain. I take the capsules but when I hurt really bad and want quicker relief I use the powder. I take a teaspoon of kratom to about 6 ounces of water and add orange juice or orange water flavoring and then shake it and shake it. Really been a blessing to me since the recent laws have made pain doctors lower the amount of opioid they can give.
I’ve been prescribed vicodin for years, following a car accident that broke my back in 4 places. Pain management doctor drug tests me every month just to write a prescription. My last drug test has left me baffled and really mad. Tested positive for my hydrocodone, as well as oxycodone AND fentanyl. I’ve never experimented outside my prescribed meds. An acquaintance of mine routinely invites me to her house to hang out. She was just arrested for possession of the 2 additional drugs found in my urine. My doctor lectured me. Basically calling me an addict. So, I left that appointment in tears. I decided that day that I hurt even with the pain meds, so why bother taking them? Been on 7.5mg three times a day for many years. Never once would he increase to alleviate my pain. I was ok on day 1. Day 2 was rough. Sweats, upset stomach. Day 3 was the flu times 10! A friend recommended kratom. 2 capsules and 45 minutes later, all withdrawal symptoms seem to have ceased. This is the beginning of day 4. Funny thing is, I have a bottle of vicodin in my safe. I could have relented and taken one, but I’m so damn head strong. Mentally, I dont want the pills, but my body was in full on protest. Kratom has quickly convinced me that this is a life changing decision on my part. Wonder what my doctor will say when I dont fill my prescription for vicodin that he called in 2 days ago? Not everyone is an addict, but we are certainly physically dependent. Doctors have mislabeled me and it pissed me off. My pain is still here, but no worse than before.
I developed AVN by the age of 18 after taking steroid shots while in hospital at age 16 for 6 weeks with a heart infection.
Have had both hips replaced. One has been in for 32 years and the other for 17 years. Severe arthritis in total spine. AVN in both knees. And now in shoulders.
I am now 66. Been going to the same pain clinic for 25 years and have had 2 internal pain pumps in,past. Was on 4. 80 mg oxytocin and 4. 10mg oxycodone a day but recent laws have changed and now on 2 30 mg oxytocin. and 2 10 mg oxycodone
I stay in constant pain. I have within the past month began using kratom. I still use the pain meds but take kratom between doses for some relief. Having trouble finding the best for pain.
Vernon, I am in the same situation as you with decrease in pain med. Have been using Kratom between dosage, seems to help, certainly has helped with withdrawals.
Kristy, which Red strain of Kratom did you use?
Thanks
I have had 2 spinal fusions and have endometriosis. I have tried a few types of Kratom but for me personally the White Maeng Da works best so far. I hope this helps
I got off of opiates three years ago after being prescribed them for most of my life (40 years). I got my first prescription for opiates (demerol) when I was twelve. I am now 52 and I eat marijuana edibles, smoke sometimes, use CBD oil and Kratom. I haven’t had an opiate in almost three years. The red vein Bali has been the most effective at treating my pain and the CBD/THC is great for relaxing my muscles. I was first prescribed opiates for severe migraine headaches (I now treat them with psilocybin). I have severe pain in my neck and back from other causes which I was in pain management for almost 20 years. I almost died from an accidental overdose of oxycodone four
years ago (my heart stopped five times on the way to the hospital). That’s when I decided I had to find an alternative way to treat my pain. I also have MS and the CBD oil greatly helps with tremors. Marijuana and Kratom, in my opinion, have literally saved my life. I am in less pain now than I ever was on oxycodone, morphine, fetanyl, methadone, opana and Valium. God makes better pain relievers than big pharma.
Thank the Lord! Great story…God bless you Lesley….so proud of you for making the choice to save your life. Your story hits home with me….mine is similar and I also believe Kratom has saved my life. Oxy took years from my life and I’m fortunate it didn’t do worse. I also have never felt better or more pain control than I do currently taking Kratom instead of Oxy. I was blessed with an amazing pain Dr., after his patience, getting over my stubbornness, and finally making the change from Oxy to Kratom this is a phrase from him I like to live by and pass on…..”How does it feel to “feel”?” 👍🙌
Damn good, that’s how it “feels” 😊 Keep up the great work and feeling better. xoxo
I use Loperamide and Kratom for opiate wd. Works like a dream.
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I dont get why some people want to tell others we dont know pain ? We all have a different story different pain tolerance ect the point is this stuff is a good option for several things . and it sucks my state wont let me get it . i use it when i go out of state and its nice to have a break from my pain meds for my livers sake . i am a disabled zookeeper thanks to every animal YOU can think of woopin this mini steve irwins ass lol but i hope they change laws in our favor .
I hope your state changes the law it’s the best thing for us who suffer pain, depression, anxiety, PTSD, and many more I suffer all that plus being a diabetic for 34 years and counting I much prefer kratom to pills. Much better for the whole body mind and soul. Best wishes to you and I’m on your side for your state to allow kratom
I suffer from PTSD, panic attacks, severe arthritis, and depression. What type do you use? I do not want to have hallucinations but want to feel good, happy, energized, and painfree
Red maeng da mixed with white indo. Ill never take a pharmaceutical again becuz of what kratom has done for me n saved my life
Try a premium Bali or red vein…you won’t hallucinate. You will feel that euphoria you get with opiates. It also majorly nips my anxiety in the butt.
Kelli Ann I’m currently taking 15-30 or more perk 10s a day 5 at once and wanting to get off the opiates but not sure which strain I would need? I tried the white strain a few days ago and got absolutely nothing off of it and was irritated and anxious half the day until I finally took a perks so apparently that strain wasn’t the right one?! I’m assuming in order for me to detox off opiates I’m going to need a strain that feels just like taking an actual Percocet so which strain would I need? I don’t want hallucinations but I will probably need the euphoric affect and energy because that’s what I get off taking perks is euphoria and energy so any advice on which strain would be the best way to go would be greatly appreciated!
I would recommend Maeng Da, I’m a vet and have a lot of similar problems, helps me have energy at lower doses and I’m happy at higher doses, euphoric like. Bali is also good for euphoria.
No cultivation of kratom on Bali from what I know of.
Bro are you a military vet cause im a combat vet just wondering
White V works good for me. I have PTSD and burn scars and nerve damage on 39% of my body. Works almost as good as Hydrocodone, which I have fully replaced with kratom.