Kratom Strains And Effects
Updated Nov 11, 2021
Written By: Mark Andrews
Countless people across the world are learning about kratom in 2020. With so many strains, its important to understand which strain is right for you. Unlike synthetic opioids, kratom’s chemical composition is complex, and the effects of this composition are dynamic.
Its main alkaloids are mitragynine, paynanthine, speciociliatine, and the more minor 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG). Kratom’s neurochemical complexity is echoed in its physiological effects.
It is generally understood that at low doses (< 1 gram), kratom “can boost energy and enhance mood,” whereas at higher doses kratom is sedating, and may have anxiolytic qualities.
The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.
Click on any strain below to find more information:
Ground Leaf Strains
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Bali | An ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost. Bali works somewhat differently than a traditional red kratom. Bali helps achieve a gentle energy boost while maintaining the pain relief expected of a red. Euphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Maeng Da | Energizing and stimulating with pain killing effects. Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick because of it’s specific alkaloid properties. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Bali | Similar to Bali with some red characteristics. This is a known as a versatile strain. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Thai | Similar to Bali with a more classic red strain effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Vein Kali | Sedating and more classically opiate like. Red Kali is a more traditional red kratom offering pain relief & relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Red Indo | Similar to Red Kali and many other traditional strains. Red Indo is a more tame red vein strain and is often touted as ideal for mild pain relief and relaxation. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Indo | Balances pain relief and energy boosting qualities. The combination of alkaloids in Green Indo creates a longer lasting milder effect although there is not as high of a concentration of alkaloids as SGM. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Malay | This original variety of Malaysian Kratom is well known for its mood-lifting, energizing effects. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Green Vein Kali | A stimulating strain which also has painkilling attributes. Green Kali delivers a strong boost of energy without sacrificing any of the sought after pain relief effects. It is know for have a higher potency than Green Indo. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Kali | More euphoric or dissociating. White Vein Kali is a milder white strain known for its energizing qualities – when compared to Red Vein Kali – while still containing notable pain relief qualities. . | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Thai | White Thai may be the most stimulating of all white strains. There are however less pain relieving attributes than a red vein strain or a strain similar to Bali as a trade off. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Vein Indo | Similar to Red Indo which is best known for its pain relief attributes. However White Vein Indo differs from the calming Red Indo by bringing a euphoric dissociative kick with it. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| White Borneo | Known as a uniquely high quality white strain of kratom. It has known for its long lasting, energizing effect. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
| Super Green Malaysian | Known for its unique ability to combine the characteristic pain relieving properties of a red strain with the energy and euphoria boost of a white strain. SGM also has some of the longest lasting effects of any kratom with smooth delivery due to the high concentration of alkaloids. | 1/2 – 3 teaspoons |
Kratom Extracts
| Strains | Effects | Dosage |
|---|---|---|
| Ultra Enhanced Indo | Most euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety. UEI manages to contain a full range of effects including pain relief & relaxation with a slight energy and mood boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Gold Reserve Extract | Powerful extract made by applying highly concentrated kratom alkaloids back to natural kratom leaf. Gold Reserve is a highly potent extract providing a blend of stimulation and pain relief while providing full body relaxation with a notable energy boost. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| ISOL-8 Extract | ISOL-8 is an outlier and has caffeine like stimulation. ISOL-8 uniquely focuses in on the energy and stimulating effects of kratom while other extracts generally bring out a broader range of effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Ultra Enhanced Red Kali | This extract is made by blending pure alkaloids from Red Vein Kalimantan leaf with high quality Red Kali leaf. This is not made with semi-synthetic chemicals but only all natural kratom leaf alkaloidal extract. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced True Thai | Made from taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction of Thai Kratom and reapplied to a Green Vein Thai leaf. This extract is a high potency version of classic Thai kratom strains notable for a mild energy boost with significant pain relief & relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
| Natural Enhanced White Sumatra | Created by taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction from white vein kratom and mixing it with White vein leaf. This reformulation results in a more potent version of white vein kratom with significant pain relief and relaxation effects. | 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf) |
Hi everyone. So here’s my story. I have been an opiod addict for over 25 years. Been through many detoxes, rehabs, institutions, psych units etc. Also multiple methadone programs. In 2006 I joined recovery and to this date have 13 yrs clean. However, a few years back a dentist literally broke my jaw, and knocked out 3 teeth and repositioned another which through surgery was also removed. Dental pain is probably the most severe that I’ve ever experienced. That pain lasted 3 entire months. I was given percocet which I used extremely carefully utilizing family and sponsor to dose to me as needed. I stopped using those and another few yrs pass, and then I had 3 back surgeries within a 2 yr period. I have multiple illnesses, hypothyroidism which leaves me drained everyday no matter how many times they say my dose and blood work are fine. I have chronic pain now due to my back surgeries and need a full left hip replacement. I’ve been fighting to have this hip fixed for many yrs but concerns of my weight held off the surgery. Meanwhile I’m now using a Walker, or cane daily due to the pain. Forgot to mention during the back surgeries I was put on oxycontin and morphine. My insurance stopped paying for the oxycontin and they switched me to morphine sulfate extended release 90mg a day and oxycodone 10mg x 6 times a day. I’ve now been on these exact doses for multiple years. Of course my tolerance is insanely high and my medications are no longer working. I’ve been diligent in taking only as prescribed because of my past and am petrified of returning to my former life. I’ve considered going back on methadone just to help with this pain but am trying with all I have to not go back there. I’m finding because my tolerance is so high that I feel like I’m in withdrawal daily even taking my prescribed dose. I don’t overtake because I don’t want to run out too soon and then left with the only decision we know I’ll have and I refuse to live like that again. Every month it gets worse..my pain is barely touched by these meds anymore and the extreme fatique of the somewhat withdrawal, the eyes running, yawning, irritability…all the same as they were years ago. My drs refuse to increase my dosage and to be honest that’s probably best because I’ll just be in the same situation down the road with an ever higher tolerance. So I’ve heard of kratom over the years. Of course I was taught to never substitute one for the other so I’ve avoided it. CBD does absolutely nothing for me. So that’s not an option for me. I’ve started doing a ton of research on kratom and this thread has been most helpful for me. The stories are real…many so similiar to my own. I finally decided that before I go back down that road of hell and seeking to purchase additional medications off the street that I would give this a try. I placed an order this morning after reading every single comment here ( over 1200) . I’m desperate for relief. I want to be relieved of pain but also have the energy that opioids gave me so I can be productive and not feel so sluggish through the day. I ordered 2 items to try out. 1 red maeng capsules and 1 red kali, also capsules. I didn’t want to chance buying the powder at first and completely hating it and wasting my money.. if I find these give me the desired effects I’m looking for, I will most likely purchase the powder, capsules and machine to fill them. But I want to make sure of which product will work for me first. Sleep isn’t an option, I do have sleep medication prescribed due to apnea, pain, and restless leg syndrome…I was only able to sleep 2 hours at a time due to the hip pain so they prescribed klonopin for that. So I’m not looking for any kratom to assist with sleep issues. All I want is for extreme pain and increased energy. I hope I made the right choice of products. I thank you all for sharing your experiences, they really helped persuade me that this may be just what I’m looking for. Ideally, I would love to tell this drs to stick these prescription you know where lol. So now im asking for feedback….do you think I made the right decision. ..do you think I ordered the best products for my issues? And lastly I read multiple comments that people are taking 8-10 capsules at a time a few times a day…equaling about 30 pills a day….is that correct? And how many should I start off with in the beginning? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Finally, I just recently lost 60 lbs so I will probably be able to get my hip replaced, I have my first appointment again for that issue in about another month. Sincerely from a recovering addict desperately hoping to never go back down that road again.
After reading your story is absolutely love to hear how kratom works out for you. I am a recovery addict as well and I’m currently on Suboxone which is a monkey on my back I hate it and I’m looking for a way to get off of it because every time I’ve tried the withdrawal is just so intense and lasts for over a month I end up going back to it and I’m now looking at Kratom for an alternative. I’ve read so many stories as well and they seem so encouraging and you have so much more pain and what not then what I would be dealing with with withdrawal and I feel like if it works for you it’s got to be able to work for me and I’m curious how it is going to work out for you. If you don’t mind e-mailing me in a few months and telling me how your situation works out for you I would love to know and correspond with you. As well as I am hesitant on spending you know 40 bucks or more on something that may be like every other herbal supplement I’ve tried like CBD that did absolutely zero for me. Good luck to you! My name is Amanda by the way in my email Is [email protected]
Hey Amanda! I’m in the SAME boat as your are. Will you please get in touch with me to let me know how your situation turned out?? Fb: Krista Michelle Anderson South Carolina
Hello to all. I never heard of kratom, and when I found it, and read about it I was cautiously excited but need some serious guidance. I have a tri diagnosis of Post-Polio Syndrome/. Post Gullium Barre Syndrome and advanced Sogrens. I am now on liberal doses of oxycodone and Ritalin. I feel my fatigue is in some ways worse than my pain. I would love to wean off as many of those drugs as possible. I was heading towards the medical marijuana route when I came across Kratom. I would like help knowing which, or both of these plans derived offers to help so many of my problems would be best. Which strains are best for my pain, fatigue, anxiety, depression caused by so many years of no hope. I know I’m asking a lot. I have a lot to deal with. 17 years ago a doctor asked me what my goal was since I had 3 diagnosis with no known cures. My answer was “ to be the best mother and grandmother possible “. That is still my goal. I would so appreciate your help in finally reaching my goal.
Thank you, C J
I am adding to my request for help. I didn’t mention that I can’t swallow any pills. Whatever I take has to be in drinkable, or be able to take with yougurt it a similar texture. I want to order tonight but still am unsure of what or how to take the Kratom that will help most of my issues. Serious muscular, joint, spasms that lock up various parts of my body so that strong physical strength must me used to make my spasms release, then the after pain. Extream muscle fatigue when I use any group of muscles too long, I stopped being able to walk years ago. I need Kratom to replace the need for the 5-6 Ritalin or aderall I take now just to give me energy to function, a different strain to kill enough pain, and help me to sleep at night.
A help for social, and general anxiety I have developed, and the depression that accompanys it all. I spend way too much time in bed. I need to start living again. Please all of you good people with so many problems that Kratom has helped. Won’t you please give me ideas of what to order, how much, and any advice for a woman not willing to give up
Thank you. CJ
I am going through the simaliar problems but I am not on any medication they won’t give me anything till they find out what is causing my musles spasm, and tingles in hands and feet my back locks up my right leg gives on me bad and I am loosing feeling in my right foot,tires all the time missing work alot and I cry cause the pain so bad. I just heard about Kratom this week I got the power I’m trying it to see if I can get any relief. I pray it does my email is cyndiraker @gmail.com if anyone wants to know anything
Can anyone tell me how 12 capsules every six to eight of Green Malay capsules effect a drug screen? It is working great for energy and my pain is non existent with this but I still take 10 mg six times daily of Percocet if really needed working hard to come off but not quite there I have dwindle down to 45 a month with the help of Keaton truly been on pain meds since I was 7 got hit by a car at broke back yards yada yada my story is nothing compared to some of yours but I am scared if I cut my pain meds completely and I am not ready and kratom shows up they will take what this miracle has done for me and let me get the rest of the way there!I went to rehab 1 time 11 years ago never really gave my meds up but I am older and it’s taking my body down now I am very happy with the effects I getting just a little shy to say by by as we all know that is the addict in me but I just want to know will it show up and how long due I need to stop in case thank you in advance for any help I can never thank all of you enough for comments I been reading help me get me where I am to right dose for me!!
Little late but kratom doesnt show up on tests.
I just took one heaping teaspoon of Trainwreck powder and I seem to be feeling very good. You can mix the powder with water, but it tastes horrible. You can add it to something Sweet like yogurt as well.
Hi, little late but did anyone actually have a conversation with you about use or dosage? Iv been using kratom for a few years and have alot of issue also. Iv also gone threw good and bad vendor or trying to get the most or best for my money. Lol iv been the test dummie so i just wanted to touch base with you cuz of all your concerns and questions. Hope all is well and if you still need some advice from someone who doesnt judge. Plus who has gone threw the kratom strain list an dosage trials lol. Have a blessed day.
How are you doing!? Did you find that kratom helped!?
I can tell you from being a patient of severe adhesive arachnoiditis ,cancer, auto immune disease and on them too heavy patches and pains killers for years … that one day I finally came to the conclusion that I’m dying more from the opioids then the diseases
I am an herbologist and i went to Kratom . Red Bali, ultimate green premium. But I take 1 hr before magnesium and turmeric which are potentators for Kratom. I have been off my pain meds for months now and I have my mind back. Granted I take other stuff like tizanidine and nerve blockers but I can live my life better now and I have hope again. Please give the red Bali and the green strain a try. To see if it helps you.
Hi SK,
Can you tell me what I would need to completely get off my medications? I take 3mg of long acting hydromorph in the morning and then at bedtime. Then usually a 2mg short acting pill sometime during the day. I want off them completely but I am new to all this. I have no clue what strains, how much, or how often. I’m in Canada.
Anyone having a hard time with the powder taste:
Get a milkshake mixer from Amazon or elsewhere (hand-held electric).
Put your powder in your mixing cup, then pile on chocolate syrup, karo syrup, or pancake syrup.
Add 250-500mL of coffee, tea, or water.
Add a magnet to catch any metal fines that may be present.
Mix vigorously.
Top off with your favorite coffee creamer.
Rinse and clean your mixer regularly. I usually put the final mix in a 20oz spill-proof Contigo brand cup you can order from just about anywhere.
For those having a tough time swallowing pills, there are some weird tricks out there to suppress your gag reflex that are easy.
I definitely recommend powder over pills because of cost.
My husband and I both have had addiction (functioning addicts you can say) issues for years. I maintained and continue to maintain my profession as does he (now). It has been a daily struggle but we fight the good fight daily. We both have been on methadone and sub (me longer than him) and I hated being tied to it. You couldn’t make plans to go anywhere for extended periods because you needed to see a doctor for your prescription. Just a terrible way to go through life. We moved across Canada to get away from ppl places and things and have done very well. We both get pain meds for different issues but we can never make them last(the addicts in us). 2 weeks ago a friend introduced us to Kratom and I’m telling you best thing ever for us.
We both find it gives us the energy like the pills and a bit of the euphoric feeling but you don’t have to keep taking pills every 2 hours. We both take about 1-2 tablespoons in the morning and that does each of us until the next day.
I ordered 4 x 25mg packages to see what we liked or the difference. So far I have only tried the red maeng da and I can’t believe how I no longer think of pills, no more runny nose, lethargic, diarrhea etc.
We haven’t tried and white strains or green (although I ordered those as well). We basically both feel that had a doctor told us about this 15 years ago we wouldn’t have had to suffer like we did.
It also found the pricing to be really reasonable. I think that once you start to feel withdrawal from pills, methadone or sub try this and see how you feel. You more than likely won’t get the same kick as an 80mg oxy but you won’t feel like shit!
I don’t care if I take this daily for years better than all of the other shit I’ve taken for years. Start out with small amounts and see how you feel. It tastes horrible does anyone have any suggestions to help with that?
I have also found that I don’t seem to suffer from my neuropathic pain, even though I’ve suffered for years and years with terrible migraines and cluster headaches. I never even took Tylenol but that changed after a serious car accident. I was prescribed pain meds and instantly became addicted.
I am hopeful that I can finally take off the pill handcuffs and keep moving forward.
1-2 tablespoons a day may help keep my addiction at bay!!
PS. Is the red strains better for chronic pain? Still unsure which ones to use.
Hi. I also read about using magnesium and turmeric to help potentate my dosage, but I could never find the details I need. How much magnesium and turmeric, how and when do you take it? Do you just buy a thing of powdered magnesium and mix it in with your Kratom drink? I usually stir 8-9 grams of white Maeng da in with a 1/2 cup of 100% grapefruit juice (another potentiator), then also mix roughly 1 tablespoon of tumeric in it as well, then chug. It’s disgusting, but gets the job done and is so much more bearable if you chase it with chocolate milk. I know that doesn’t sound good, but the chocolate milk really does wonders to help with the taste. Other times, I will make my own capsules (I bought a capsule making machine through amazon) then take usually 18 capsules (9 grams) a day of the white Maeng da. It has worked miracles to help me with withdrawal from pain pills (I was prescribed OxyContin for my endometriosis pain when I was around 18, then got addicted, and took Vicodin or Percocet for the next 15 years, just for the euphoria and relief from my crippling depression and anxiety), so I don’t even take kratom for actual pain relief, I mostly just take it for my depression, anxiety, fatigue, and withdrawal. But after so long of taking it, even my high dose doesn’t produce any effects, anymore. Just nausea. Which is why I’m looking for more ways to potentiate my dose, and hopefully bring my tolerance back down. And like I said, I’ve heard about adding magnesium to the mix, but don’t have any clue as to exactly how. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! You can get in touch with me at [email protected], also.
I have orthopedic and neurological issues and was taking a small dose of hydrocodone/Tylenol under doctor’s care for 6 years. When this opiate crisis evolved, doctors in this state discharged even legitimate patients like me from care. I successfully weaned myself off of my medication but of course returned to trying to deal with the pain.
I researched kratom but only recently bought some to try. After some experimentation, I found a dosage that worked for me. I have made it a practice to not use it daily to avoid tolerance issues. Besides that, it’s pretty expensive.
I believe that people with chronic, severe pain should be treated appropriately to maintain quality of life.
If you are currently on any prescription opiods or you are still using Heroin or street fentanyl then trying to switch directly over to kratom will be useless. All other opiod drugs are complete agonists, kratom is a partial agonist, what that means is your body is adapted to a drug that is aggressively taking over your receptors so your brain significantly stops producing natural opiod neurotransmitters AND it basically shuts down those neurons firing by raising the action potential required to make that neuron fire, so drugs that don’t fully occupy the receptor (like kratom) won’t have any effect. I was on methadone for 2 years at 120mg and kratom did absolutely nothing. Last year I was hit by a car walking on the side walk(hit and run) and now I have severe chronic back pain. I was bed ridden because of the pain, I couldn’t do anything and nothing I tried even put a dent in the pain. It had been a year and a half since I quit methadone cold turkey(withdrawal for 3 months straight, didn’t feel right for 10 months) and I decided to try Kratom again, and it gave me my life back. It was like a miracle, I not only could get out of bed but it reduced my pain from a 8 to a 2!!! It actually worked better than Percocet and other prescription meds I was given by friends who couldn’t bear to see me in so much pain. Now I am working again and my life is on the up and up. Ive been taking the kratom daily 2-3 times a day for year. My pain has been getting worse and evolving into nerve problems(sciatica numbness and tingling sensations in my hands and feet, shooting pains instead of just aching pains) and the dose I take is the maximum effective so if take take more it doesn’t reduce the pain any more but i experience more side effects, so I am pretty sure I need to get surgery desperately before there is permanently nerve damage. My pain is so intense that if I don’t take my Kratom it’s not the withdrawal that concerns me, it’s my pain which is so much worse than withdrawal… I would have literally killed myself due to pain if not for kratom, so if you are on prescription opiods and they don’t help with your pain anymore I would strongly recommend quiting for at least a couple months and giving kratom a try it’s definitely worth enduring the hell of withdrawal and toughing out your pain for a while, it worked 100 times better for pain then anything I’ve tried before and the “high” is very gentle and less addictive compared to the hard stuff. I started at 15 capsules per dose of red vein which is a lot for a beginner, I would recommend 10 or 12 to start with and increase or reduce based on your needs, if you have pain definitely choose a red strain and do your research on the brands you have available as some brands of the same strain can actually be as much as half or a third as strong, requiring you to take way more capsules. Also don’t get discouraged if after 30 mins you still don’t feel anything, it takes a little over an hour to kick in if you take the capsules.
I have tried several strains and I’m trying to find the perfect one. I have bad anxiety and a lot of shoulder and back pain and suffer from endometriosis. I am looking for something in pill form that would be good for energy and anxiety and pain relief but I do like the overall happy feeling. What would be best to try? Also a lot of the strains make me sweat really bad. Any suggestions?
I would go with gold Bali.
You made the only decision you had left and thank God it’s a good one, lucky for us. For u I would start off with 4-5 or 6 grams. Add a gram every 1/2 hour until your pain dissipates. Capsules hold either a 1/2 gram, 3/4 gram or 1 gram of kratom powder. You can weigh the powder within a few capsules to get a random sample, for future reference, the capsules I’ve weighed are a 10th g. Off. Red Malay, red and green borneo, red Maeng da are a few and must have for pain relief and comfort. Kratom taste like dirt, so a lot of people buy the powder and fill their own capsules, its more cost effective too. I use orange juice myself, then have a good quality vendor where u can get 100$$ kilos…OK
I have severe arthritis in my knees from multiple surgeries, bulging discs and bone spurs that push on my spinal cord. I have also been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and have endometriosis. I also suffer from anxiety and ADD. I find the best pain relief and energy boost but yet calming from a Green/White combo. Red does not seem to give me relief. I do take quite a high dose; example 1tbs Green with 1tbs white and I mix it with 6 oz milk and several tbs chocolate syrup. I have also mixed gold with green and it’s a great combo too. It’s import to change up strains so that your body doesn’t become tolerant. Start with a variety pack. And journal the affects. Start with a smaller dose like 1 tsp and lay or sit down for 20-30 minutes following ingesting it so you can experience the results and determine what works best.
Hi
I want to order but not sure what to order except I know I want some red x. I’m looking for a good green for pain and energy. I want to get off these pain meds. I have secondary fibromyalgia, RA, Lymphedema and neuropathy. Among other things. The chronic fatigue causes so many problems mostly it keeps me down and being down caused other problems like severe back pain. I have had two bone fusions and have a plate and screws in my neck. They want to do another surgery plus a ruptured disk in my back with stenosis. Please help.
Boy you have a lot of pain injury problems. I had similar problems with lowered spine. What works for me Patty is I mix half and half green endo and red Bali.I was on a lot of pain meds like you were which we know is no good the side effects from that to be even worse. But my mixture really does help me get through the day motivates me to do things I used to do I work out to my normal activities every day. I hope this might help you as it did for me Good luck Patty.
Thank you, Joseph for your answer + to Patti for your question.
I was diagnosed w/ severe spinal stenosis* (*the condition which led the Canadian Supreme Court to approve humane euthanasia available to a beloved dog but not even for a human suffering unnecessarily,) + severe degerative disc + joint diseases, sciatica + neuropathy plus chemical injury incl chronic to acute bronchitis, sinusitis, + asthma I my early 30s (~30+ yrs before someone might normally be diagnosed w/ mild spinal stenosis if the condition even occured,) then fibromyalgia, deadly myelomalacia, spondylosis, spondylolisthesis, adult onset scoliosis, periformist syndrome, permanent nerve damage from neck + back surgeries w/ the back fusions rupturing my discs 11/11/18 + only 3.5 yrs after Dr S’ back surgery.
Dr S left me w/ L5 nerve damage, foot drop, add’ly painfully swollen legs to feet/ankles w/ worse than unmanaged chronic severe pain since the 15mm + 9mm 2nd disc ruptures after 1/2006 disc ruptures from being body slammed onto sheet ice.
Thanks, Joseph, for the idea of combining 2 strains for better results: I’m wondering if you have info or advice about taking Kratom when using rxs for allergies (Rx Montelukast + Loratadine) chronic asthma (Rx Advair 500/50, Spiriva Respimat inhaler, Fluticasone Propinase nasal spray, + Levalbuterol Sulfate inhaler.) I’d very much appreciate feedback from experienced Kratom users about how they use Kratom, prescribed rxs, + mmj used as canna coconut oil in a tea also in an effort to get my frequently excruciating unmanaged pain under control so I can 1) exist + 2) ideally do so much better than just manage to continue to exist in agony.
I have limited doses of Levothyroxine, a thyroid hormones replacement (no 30 or 90 day refills provided over 11months for 1 of multiple automimme conditions,) Hydrocodone10/325 every 4hrs for severe chronic pain (very limited pills remaining + sporadic to no pills provided for 20 day refills over the past 11 months) Diazepam 10mg x 3 for severe muscle spasms (limited pills left w/ sporadic to mostly no 30 day refills provided almost all over the past 11 months) Oxycontin 40mg 2 – 3xs for breakthrough pain (no pills available which didn’t expire multi years ago) + Valacycovir 1g to suppress the herpes zoster virus (no refills authorized for numerous missing 30 day supplies.)
I’ve had chronic infections for 11mos preventing me from having reconstruction back surgery. The spinal surgeon of 7 yrs abandoned my care after his failed back surgery ruptured; Dr S, his colleague Dr Sch, + his NP/PA St haven’t phone calls for >6mos despite empty promised that “Dr S, Dr Sch, or St will call you back before the end of the business day” multi times per week for over 10 months.
My Primary Care Physician of 23 yrs who’s on a probationary med license told me 12/3/18 to double my pain + severe muscle spasms rxs only to not provide them although they’re 20 + 30 day refill rxs. He did the same for my other rxs as well for 10mos (negligence.) He (Dr K) + 3 of Dr K”s staff mbrs became physicallly + verbally abusive notably since the discs ruptured. It seems they have a very dark, sadistic side which I experienced from 1 staff mbrs after I was assaulted + soaked w/ pesticides.
After already a 10hr wait (being med transported 4hrs + checking into a motel both out of pocket to wait 6 hrs to be told “Dr K will see you in 5mins” only to abandon me 3hrs in the exam room. Then I’d be yelled at, “You’re wasting Dr. K’s time!” w/ the dr insulting my appearance on a medically + photographically documented false basis + “cause” of my now 10mos of multiple infections (Ecoli, Staph Type B, MRSA) which Dr K nastily falsely alleged, “Your infections are being caused by the (not present) layers of fat hanging off your legs!”
Dr K left me unable to walk w/ even w/ the help of a walker w/ seat + never prescribed or provided an electric wheelchair, unable to sleep multi days + nights until I’m so exhausted I wake up in unmanaged excruciating pain, unable to get in/out, transfer on/off, to reach/grab, to perform basic functional + ADLs, + unable to med/physicallly keep any lab, x-rays, specialists appts, diagnostic appts w/ the PCP of 23 yrs having a staff mbrs send an email falsely claiming a non-existent new PCP is now responsible for my med care + prescribing all my meds including pain + non pain meds.
This will be the 3rd time (2x w/ the PCP of 23 yrs) I’ve been negllgently + unlawfully been dumped off my pain meds. Even though I’m Exempt from the CDC Guidelines 90mgME, ER > Hospital > “Pain Mgmnt,” + PCP/GPs admit they’ve never read the CDC Guidelines, have no idea what they state + no idea which pts the CDC Guidelines do/don’t apply. I don’t ever want to rely on so many unreliable med personnel + entire organizations to gov’t entities.
There continues to be rampant + unlawful Non-compliance w/ CDC Guidelines, Medical Licensing Boards’ criteria to have a med license + work as a licensed dr, + no enforcement of the “rights” + “laws” which aren’t protecting patients. Rather than attempt unsuccessfully to even continue to exist I such a broken “medical” “health?care?” system, I need to learn how to manage my pain as a result of the notable absence of available, competent, compliant, + prof’l primary care providers, “pain mgmnt specialists,” + inaccessible palliative care programs for which I’ve been eligible for over 22yrs yet never referred. “How did you fall into the Grand Cyn sized gab awaiting the newly + continuing/ worsening pts w/ multiply medically/physically disabling + existence threatening med conds?
Thank you, experienced Kratom users. Advice based on personal experience re best Kratom types, dosages + when is welcomed + appreciated, too. Thank you all! Best regards,
Let me tell you all something I quit 200mg oxycodone with this. The DA can say whatever they want I tried subutex was trading one addiction for the other I’m off everything and was on meds for over 12 years. You will feel some withdrawal but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to what you would endure cold turkey. I did Red Bali then incorporated some green malay then bali strains. My dose is exceptionally high sometimes from 13g to 15g every six hours but again that’s my tolerance I reduce as needed I’m still in the first week. You can do this guys
well said, nothing like the withdraws from subs,oxy,perks,etc. it was harder for me to get off the subs then anything else. kratom saved my life
David what kind did you use to get off subs
I have been on subs for 3 years now it’s worst than
The pills were to come off I’ve been trying to get off
Of them I’m going to try mixing kratom anyone have suggestions for what one’s to mix
Hi my name is Nancy I just bought the kratom green Malay I have very bad chronic pain and I need something to give me some energy. Is this the right one for me?
Yes. It should be depending on supplier.
What works great for me, for pain and energy is White Maeng Da. I’ve done a lot of research and I’ve sampled a lot too, it doesn’t disappoint.
Have you tried the red bali? I just purchased white maeng da I have low energy and pain in back will this work for.me? Thanks
It was really interesting that you mentioned that some of the kratom powder can help reduce social anxiety. I am working to get over my own anxiety to talk to people and be able to figure out what the best way to be more social is. I think it is important to research things before using them, and this is exactly what I am doing, so I am glad I found this article.
I have trouble talking to people other than my family and friends, I also had fears of driving far distances scared of getting
Lost or in a wreck, breaking down you name it I thought about it. I would panic if I even thought I turned off onto a road I was unfamiliar with start sweating, heart racing and couldn’t breath. I have been taking Maeng DA kratom since last November I am now able to carry a conversation with others and I drove to Maryland Annapolis all by myself and returned without any panic attacks, It also controls my pain that I can’t get relief from doctors because they were to scared to give pain medicine thank god for kratom, I do let my primary doctor know that I take it and what it has helped me with. I take 6 capsules every morning and again around 1 pm. This stuff is amazing it even helps me not have a very big appetite
I’m a bit uncertain if I’m doing this right. When I began kratom it was in place of opioids medication. Withdrawals have never been much of an issue for me.
But I avoid them now bc even w lupus, fibromyalgia, a spinal fusion, and cancer I’m constantly judged for taking pain meds like I’m a bad weak person. I got off pills almost 2 years ago, medical marijuana is too expensive and I never liked getting the munchies or tired anyway, so kratom help until Cancer showed up. My dr started me on suboxone for pain management as it has long lasting effects and I’m more free to go longer periods before needing it. However, anytime I have to go to the ER, they immediately treat me like a drug seeking junkie, Dx aside, and do stupid things like give me psych meds for dual kidney failure for pain. Well that just made my eyes uncontrollably roll up into my head for three days. Way to go. So I’m once again feeling like I’m forced to suffer for peace of mind and to be treated like a human being.
In the past I used Maeng Da to help w pain as I’m also a mom of 5 and exhaustion is never an option. But being that I now am forced to attend to my body’s need to rest and heal, and at times my pain levels can be so high my BP, HR, are so high I’m at risk of stroke or a repeat heart attack, and they bring on seizures… I want to go w a red vein Bali. I know extracts are more potent but worry about any soy used in production as I’m highly allergic. What powdered leaf or dry leaf forms would anyone recommend for non withdrawals, but high levels of pain. Sleep welcome
Tiffany, I’m so sorry for what you’re going through! I’m an RN who worked in hospice and palliative care for 12 years and have a few suggestions for you. 1) ask for a palliative care/pain management consult. 2) get off suboxone and ask about MS Contin or Fentanyl patches. I don’t know your history but am very concerned about an MD automatically putting you on suboxone! 3) You now have your opiate receptors engaged (d/t your pain meds)so I’m not sure how much Kratom would be of help to you. However, here’s a few suggestions: (disclaimer-I am not a physician and suggest you speak with a medical professional before proceeding further). Ok now that that’s done. Look at the charts here on the kratomscience website. Red Kali and Red Maeng Da seem to be good choices for pain relief, as is Red Bentuangie (not sure if it’s on this website). Start with 1 gram powder (2 capsules approx). Wait 30 minutes and add another gram if you are still having pain. Repeat the process up to 4-5 grams. If you haven’t noticed a significant improvement in your pain level, try a different strain the next day. Don’t try several different strains close together. Also, take Pepcid or Tagamet (generic is fine) at least an hour before taking Kratom—the green Malay tore my stomach up! With the reds, be prepared to stay home and chill out. I would suggest trying Kratom reds after the kids are in bed and your significant other is there to help out. Once you have your red Kratom sweet spot, you can expand to trying the greens, whites, yellows, and golds. Good luck to you!!
I just wanted to say that I thought your reply to Tiffany was just wonderful. Very helpful, nonjudgmental and very intelligent. Not often seen in these kinds of comment sections! 😀
After finding out one of my brothers was able to STOP wearing the fyntanyl patch while also having to take morphine pills as needed. Another brother of mine saw a special on Kratom and informed said other brother and to this day all he has to do is one of these kratoms to control his pain. I’m not having pain but I am trying the Bali Kratom for energy…. Sound about right y’all cuz I figured if my brother does not have to wear that fentanyl patch and eat Morphine at the same time and I should be able to find one of these to give me some energy:) thanks
Any one use Kraton in conjunction with Acamprosate ( pro detox) for alcohol urges
Thanks for this reply. I am looking for similar information as a first time user. Got a sampler of the capsules. Trying to learn the difference between the colors and what they mean.
And, I agree with Renee about your reply to Tiffany. Thanks.
That’s extremely nice of you offering your input, being an RN and all. My daughter n law is an RN and offers me 0 advice.
I’ve had RSD/CRPS now for 5 yrs and at one point (before the opioid crack down) I was prescribed 6 10mg pain pills a day and 2700mg of gabapentin a day. I was cut back to half on my pain meds but then they wanted to up my gabapentin. I’m forgetting things and falling, It’s had to function on the gabapentin and my pain level never goes below an 8 anyways.
I’m trying the white maeng da and I’m cutting my
gabapentin down to 1500mg a day.
What strand would you take if u havent been on any other narcotics, for arthritis, depression, and low energy?
That sounds about right, all the informalities are so unjust it sux for people in need,.. hence why they make these “drugs” aka “extracts” to set the bar. Idk I understand u either way & wish u the best. But good weed off the street u gotta have a cousin nephew/nieces or neighbor to help u out. My advice is stay exactly who u are & remember what’s most important.
For anybody getting off opiates I highly recommend blending red Bali and red Borneo. If you can get your hands on gold Bali it is amazing Aswell.. Just like red Bali but affects last twice as long… Mixing Bali n Borneo is heavin and has sent me into dream like nods many many many times almost as if I took a bunch of oxy.. Which thank God kratom has saved me from… If you wanna get out and be productive your best bet is white maeng da.. It makes me so focused it’s crazy.. Mixing a white and red can be best of both worlds
How much do you take if you don’t mind me asking? I tried red Bali for the first time today with no relief at all. I only used 2 grams because I was a bit nervous but felt nothing
God bless all of us that are trying to get off the opioids ..I had a doc that would prescribe anything I wanted,he retired ,no other subsequent docs would help me..I.m tired of the narcotic pain meds game …Kratom has giving me some hope. Kathy
Hi. I lost my dad and best friend/partner in 2013. I was using poppy tea and other street drugs to get through. I taking kratom since 2014 and I’m trying to work my way off. sometimes I take a responsibility but when I don’t feel good either from emotional disturbances ( I have severe chronic PTSD dissociative and anxiety and a whole bunch of other mental health conditions that I’m mostly in control of most of the time.) I was off kratom from 2015-2016, as the place I was getting it from stop shipping to Indiana because it was voted illegal,but using crystal meth a lot and more serious hard drugs. a friend show me a place to get better crowd him and then we found a place with the wings that I’m taking and it’s alkaloid content is mitraginine 1.3% and 7-0h- mitraginine .045%. when I’m feeling okay 8 ounces less me for 2 weeks but sometimes when I don’t feel good I take 8 oz in a week or less. I get the runny nose and the crying in the Aurora mental health if I stop taking it cold turkey or reduce my dose severely. I’m thinking of taking a 3 gram dose five times a day for like maybe a week and seeing how I feel what are you guys recommend. Ty!
I have similar issues and they are combined w severe chronic health issues. I’m in constant pin but going through a terrible divorce right after losing a loved one, my family, while dealing w PPD, left people accusing me of abusing my own medication. To stop the nonsense of their accusations, while not understanding that for many using is not the problem but a side effect of other issues at hand, of self medication I had to learn some balance w kratom. Personally I’ve never gotten a high off anything in a decade due to the pain my body is in. All anything ever did was make me able to get out of bed and function normally. But I was so jealous of peace, happiness, and the people who were judging me’s ability to seem high on life. It wasn’t until I found some healing within myself that suddenly my need for most medications disappeared. If you would like someone you can talk to openly without judgement, contact me. I’m just a person. So business or religious crap to through at you. Sometimes all we need is a friend to get it so we have the sponsor like feel when we have someone to reach out to instead of turning to anything to help us. I’m willing to chat at anytime and if it helps in anyway, great, if not, you at least have the positivity in knowing you made an awesome attempt to try an alternative to increasing dose, and if you got that, you got anything!
Please help me know the kind of Kratom for pain that will truly help my back? I need help and saw your post. Thank You.
A year ago when trying to get off pain meds, someone recommended Red Maeng Da. I have tried all the veins and I keep coming back to Red Maeng Da. I feel it has great pain relieving qualities and it does NOT make me drowsy. I get almost jittery energy at times which is fine by me! That was the main reason I loved pain pills so much was the energy they gave me to get through an entire day of productivity!
I suffer from sever back issues-9 surgeries and counting, 4 spinal fusions with cages rods and screws and last year a spinal cord stimulator. I have found that for crate him to help relieve my pain I take approximately 15 g to sometimes three times per day. Does anyone else take this much? I got off of all opiates a year and a half ago but lately the crate him has been making me feel a bit woozy in my head about an hour and a half to two hours after taking it. Anyone else having these symptoms?
Red Bali 2 to 5 grams to start. Find ur sweet spot with dosage and u will find Kratom to be a Godsend
I am so sorry that you are going through so much! You have to be a super strong person to be dealing with all of this stuff at once. Screw anyone who judges you. Let them walk a mile in your shoes. Some of those happy go lucky people wouldn’t make it 10 yards.
Hi Tiffany
Your post is written with the most honestly I’ve seen and your offer to help anyone is outstanding. Can you please tell me what kratom- you found helpful for withdrawal.
Hey Tiffany…..your honesty really rang true for me…its very similar for me….what type are you on and have you found the “dose”?….I too live with crippling pain and severe fatigue…..which of course leads to depression…yada yada….tired of “the game” with doctors…..she wants me to come off the pain and sleep stuff(that was supposed to be non addictive and non narcotic) so now I’ll be really screwed because before the zoplicone…I NEVER slept more than an hour at a time..if I did get to sleep….every hour I’d wake up..have a smoke and back to sleep…next hour ..up I get..ivwas able to quit smoking because of the drug because of the night smoking…..used to be on oxazepam….now…this ones no good!..YOU CANT WIN with the bloody college….I’ve been dealing with this in one form or another for 25years unfortunately……if I can have the control back….I WOULD LOVE IT!!!!!….ANY advice would be great…..Thanks again for your honesty and kindness…..Sharon
I am sitting here starting at a bottle of Maeng Da Red Vein Extract, 12ml, Pure Alkaloid Suspensión Liquid. It says “equal to 9gr leaf”. I don’t know what to do with it. I don’t know how much to take. I am a former opiate user of 5 years. I made it through the hell of withdrawal BUT I still get the nighttime leg cramps / restless leg. I also can’t sleep. I’m gathering I might have got the wrong kind if I am needing the feeling of sedation/heavy body. I took a cap full earlier and I was in such a great mood!! I wasn’t hurting. The pain is back (moderate degenerate spine, nerve pain, restless leg pain, majorly severe insomnia. I just took another capful, but now I don’t know if I will sleep. I don’t knwo what the dosage is for this type either. ANY HELP WOULD BE SO APPRECIATED!
I stupidly went on a fentanyl binge for the past few weeks. I was cutting up the patch and putting it in between my gums 2-3 times a day, sometimes more. I’m completely out and luckily have red and white strains. I haven’t felt any withdrawal symptoms besides my brain wanting more and being bummed I don’t have anymore. I know there can be delayed withdrawals so I’m just wondering if the kratom will be sufficient in managing them if they happen. No need to tell me the risk I took. I’m never doing that again and will never be able to get it anyways.
I kicked fentanyl with Kratom
I would dilute the fentanyl with water and mix it and put it into a nasal spray bottle and used it for 2 years… When I decided to kick it I used Kratom … No withdrawals, only thing was the mental/emotional stuff … Best decision I ever made
👍🏻
What type of kratom did you use?
How did u do it and what strain
I would dilute the fentanyl with water and mix it and put it into a nasal spray bottle and used it for 2 years… When I decided to kick it I used Kratom … No withdrawals, only thing was the mental/emotional stuff … Best decision I ever made
Same here but with h. It was a complete life saver and I give it full credit for getting off junk.
What did you use to get off h with Kratom? The capsules
Kratom WILL ABSOLUTELY curb the withdrawal.
Yesss, 10 yrs narcotic addict, 9 yrs on suboxone. I take a heaping tablespoon of Red Maengda every 3-4 hrs a day. Been a month, cold turkey off subs…NO WITHDRAWAL! FULL of energy and feeling great! What a miracle and a blessing! Good Luck All…
Hey Stacey how did you do it was it mixed with tea? I’m going to get kratom in few days and not sure what to get I been on subs for about a year
I don’t know how people mess with tea.. Its gross! amazon sells empty capsules.. get 1000 for about 10.$
Hey I’ve been on subs for 4 years and dying to get off… I take 4 a day. Cold turkey?? Idk if I could do that?? Pointers please! Fb Krista Michelle Anderson South Carolina
So my question is I am in pain management for a failed back surgery I’m on oxy30 2 times a day and a 10/350 perk for breakthrough pain. I’m still in a world of pain I have been on this dose for the last 10 years and have built up a tolerance. If I were to add some Bali kratom to my pain Regimen would that be ok ? And if so how much should I start with being I’m still taking the narcs?
If you are still in terrible pain taking that many opioids for 10 years, chances are that you are suffering from something called opioid induced hyperalgesia. It’s a condition where the opioids start to actually make the pain worse. More than simple tolerance. My husband’s pain management specialist never even told him it was a possibility. He was maxed out on opioids and still in agony. Now, he is completely weaned off all opioids, and kratom manages his pain. I don’t know enough to explain how to do it though. Keep googling. That’s what my husband did. Sorry I can’t be more help.
What is the best kratom for opiate withdraws
Gold Bali. The right amount (between 5 and 7 grams, 3 teaspoons)will make you feel almost like an opiate . I’m 16 days off methadone and still have a few weeks to go but I’m doing good. You’ll have to take it every 3 to 5 hours. I found the mixture of Clonidine/Soma/Gabapentin-with kratom helps tremendously. Take on empty stomach. Eat fruits and vegetables and chicken/fish. Stay away from gluten when possible. Everyone is different but this mixture has been a life saver.
You are lucky to have those drugs to assist. All 3 of them. I withdrew from suboxone cold turkey about 4 years ago and the gabapentin helped tremendously. I wish I had known about this Kratom at the time.
Mang Da Kratom for sure…….. it completely relieves every symptom of opiate withdrawal. It takes away all your aches, pain, sickness, and makes you feel energetic and natural again it’s a godsend. if you have a high tolerance like I do, two heaping spoonfuls dissolved in about a cup of water mixed really well, and then add a little bit of cold water to make it just lukewarm so you can drink it down fast. It’s a lifesaver good luck
Scott I’ve been using methadone for two years and I just bought Thai silver took 6 pills and it worked so far how much should I be taking if you could please help greatly appreciate it.
I’ve been on green mang da for the past year for pain and recently have learned of other strains within all 3 of the veins just wondering if any interesting finds that work for pain, sedation and joint stiffness?
Hi guys,
I stumbled upon this forum by accident and it is an encyclopedia of knowledge! I have been taking kratom on and off of awhile to manage the pain I have from RA, and symptoms of MS. I also diagnosed with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. Dr’s don’t give out pain meds anymore hence my agony. I have had bulging discs in my lower back and it’s caused me so much agony. I’ve been taking a green strain that I by at a head shop, but idk that it’s working as well as another strain could, I would like to find a strain that give me the energy that I would get when I was prescribed opiates, and the same level of pain relief. So people get groggy when they take pain meds, but I get the opposite effect. Which strain of Kratom Would be best for me for high energy, mood, and pain relief?
I also want to share a good way that I take crate him that makes it less disgusting.
I dissolve my dose which is about a tablespoon in a small amount of hot water and stir it up. Then I dilute it with those sugar-free Crystal light sleeves that you add to a bottle of water. I make sure that it’s really really cold water. I pour some in and I take a sip, and I continue to do that until it’s all gone. So every time you take a sip you add more of the drink mix to it until you’re basically at the end and you can hardly taste it at all. Of course it’s still disgusting but finding the right amount of drink mix to add to the hot water crate him really really helps. Are used to do the toss and wash but inevitably I would almost or always throw up Then I dilute it with those sugar-free Crystal light sleeves that you add to a bottle of water. I make sure that it’s really really cold water. I pour some in and I take a sip, and I continue to do that until it’s all gone. So every time you take a sip you add more of the drink mix to it until you’re basically at the end and you can hardly taste it at all. Of course it’s still disgusting but finding the right amount of drink mix to add to the hot water crate him really really helps. Are used to do the toss and wash but inevitably I would almost or always throw up because it taste so disgusting. Someone describe it to me as as if a tree farted in your mouth. HAHA! I was like, that sounds about right!
Thank you Scotty
You tell me. I have tried Kratom for a few weeks now. Different strains- Green, White, Premium Bali, etc. Started small (1.5 Mg in capsules), then moved up to 3mg per dosage. I get zero, nada, nothing from it. Does not help at all, get zero mental or physical, just straight horrible w/d. I am down to 1-2mg per day suboxone, which is not much. My w/d start getting fairly heavy after only 1 day. I researched and studied Kratom, but the only thing I can think of is to try the Red and give it another week or so. I was encouraged after reading people on places like here, but I truly would not even know if you slipped a bunch in my drink. No placebo, nothing. I have tried it from multiple, well-rated vendors, so that cannot be it. I can try to go up to a heavy dosage, which I see mixed reviews on here. I will tell ya, mentally I am 95% there as far as quitting, it is almost all physical with me, at this point. It was such a letdown to not have Kratom help at all. Full-time single dad, work about 50 hours per week, volunteer in the community, so its not like I can just tough it out with much success. Almost unbearable to not sleep or have energy with my schedule. Thanks all.
I don’t know if you can have gabapentin available to you but be moderate with it bc you can become a little dependent on it after taking it for 3 weeks to a month but it helped me tremendously withdrawing from suboxone. I would keep adding the red Kratom to your regimen though.
Steven, I was taking Zubsolve, Subs, etc. after many years of being addicted to narcotic pain meds for chronic pain. I took my last sub 8 months ago. I did a lot of research on Kratom and the day after I took my last 8mg sub I started using Red Maeng Da. I started out at 3-5 grams every 4-5 hours and I was completely shocked and thanking God I did not have a single withdrawal symptom! Considering every other time I had tried to wean down or stop taking the meds I always ended up in the hospital, admitted every time! I would definitely recommend you stick with thr reds for opiate withdrawal and pain relief. I was prescribed every pain pill all my Doctors could think of over a twenty year span. Kratom has quite literally saved my life and given me my life back. I wish you all the best! It is most definitely possible!! If I was able to do it anyone can! Seriously! Any time before Kratom when I would go into withdrawals I was admitted into the hospital every time it was always that bad and that severe. Once I was in the hospital for 5 weeks straight and even though I was getting IV nausea meds and Dilaudid around the clock it still took over 4 weeks for them to just get me to stop violently vomiting every 20 minutes. It was that serious for me. When I stopped the subs and started Kratom I didn’t get sick or even feel bad at all. Now it’s 8 months later and I am still doing great as far as that goes! I hope this helps you and anyone else who needs to know the truth about how Kratom is saving lives every single day! Best of luck! You got this!
Hey man you need to try taking about 10-12 grams at a time, every 4 hours you’ll prob need to re-dose. But I too have done .5-1 mg suboxone taper recently (I have a cheap/local vendor.). You/I will not get anything from 3-5g from ANY strain. You are definitely going to get relief from at least 10 though I promise. It still helps with pain (joint implant) even when I do take sub at that dose! Good luck
You need to consume waaaay more than a few mgs of dried Kratom. You gotta remember, the plant matter that holds the alkaloids is 99% of the weight. 4-6 grams of standard powder Kratom (all varieties) is my sweet spot with/without tolerance. As long as the quality is upper tier, you’ll always feel something. You could look into Kratom potentiation with white grapefruit juice or black seed oil.
@ Tyler ,
I noticed that you mentioned using Kratom with Black Seed oil . I use a lot of essential oils for treating all sorts of ailments and I just so happen to have some Black Seed Oil … can you tell me how you use the combination of Kratom and Black Seed Oil ?? Thank you for Any Info you can give me . Please feel free to email me if you want . [email protected].
Hey Steven,
Definitely up your dose to 10-12 capsules per dose! I promise you’ll feel fine! I’ve run out of my meds before my appt and Kratom is a real godsend my friend. Good luck!
I suggest you try red because it’s the most similar to opiats kick the the subs out because they block the opiate receptors that’s why you get no response
How much is in each capsule? Normally they are 500 mg and a standard dose for beginners is normally like 6 to 8 capsules the steadily increase qhen needed. But most strains take a few days to help. How estly mang da works best for me but this new brand of trainwreck has seemed to kick it pretty well.. as its a mixture of all the veins, white, green and red.
Hi Steven,
I take suboxone normally but just moved and am in the middle of switching doctors. I thought I was going to have enough meds to last me until my appt. with my new doctor but I couldn’t get an appt. until later than expected. Long story short, I stretched them as much as I could but ran out and still have to wait until 9/3 to see him. I really did not want to have to resort to h So I’m the meantime and after a lot of research I ended up buying the Red Vein Bali from a local headship and it has been a God send! I read that Red Vein is one of the strands that is best for opiate withdrawals. You are not taking enough of it. I take like 60 capsules a day which is 30 grams. I take the most in the am- maybe like 15 capsules and then the rest I space out throughout the day like every 4-5 hours. Idk of that is a lot but it’s what works for me. I don’t feel like it has a very long half life at all. Even if I wait like 6 hours say, I will start to get the yawns and cramping behind me knees. So I pretty much snack on them throughout the day so that doesn’t happen. I wake up in the middle of the night like that also. But luckily I have other meds that help like Clonidine, klonopin and Gabapentin (although I cant run out of those until I see my doctor or that will become another issue- Gabapentin withdrawals suck too! ) I know I am lucky to have the extra meds as not everyone is able to get at the time or whatever. Anything extra like that of course helps! As we all know. I have been going through a bottle of Red Vein in two days. There are only 120 capsules and the bottle is like $30. Which isn’t a lot compared to a dope habit. I’ve been on suboxone a year know so it’s annoying me to have to spend money on trying to not be sick but it’s DEFINITLEY worth it. I actually ordered some poppy seeds to try to make tea today thinking that a pound of these will last longer cuz I read that you only need 100 grams per 100 lbs of body weight. I waited all day for them to come. I had taken my last 8 Kratom at like 8-9 am and they didn’t come until 4. I was sick waiting- sweating, runny nose, stomach pains, yawning, leg cramps but I also know that the suboxone is slowly leaving my system so that had a lot to do with feeling so sick only 8 hours later. Anyways, the tea sucked and didn’t do shit. So needless to say I went and bought more red Vein and I feel great now! Not high, well maybe a little euphoria or else I’m just so happy to not be sick anymore!! I know this is a long post and I’m sorry I went a little off topic, I have ADD so I jump around a lot- my bad. The short version is you def need to take more. Like others are saying the starting dose is like 8 capsules. I buy the Red Vein Bali by Whole Herbs. You can get a bottle cheaper 250ct online for cheaper -$40. I should be doing that. Idk if anyone has tried that kind or not or can recommend a better one? I have to take the capsules b/c the taste to me is way to disgusting or else I parachute it but the capsules are much easier for me when I’m on the go busy. I also have a question if anyone actually gets to the end of this – I know it’s so like a book :/ lol But, now I’m just dreading going back on the subs – I mean I DEF want to. I’m waaaayyy to big of a baby to stop and deal with months of hell. I know there is the Kratom but I feel I would just be switching. Suboxone withdrawals last like a month so by that time I’m sure I’d just have another habit, right? I hate all this shit! But yea so now I’m thinking great when I get my subs I’m gonna have to wait the whole 24 hours before I can take it? Cuz of the Kratom. I’m scared to death of precipitated withdrawals – that happened to me once before and never again! Literally the worst day of my life! I usually have some dope saved to take after the sun I’m case of anything like that but not this time. Anyways, I’m way off topic – sorry guys 😛Good luck Steven, def ramp it up and you will undoubtedly be feeling good 😉
Hey Krissy! Just read your post and wanted to suggest making your own capsules. I bought a 00 Capsule machine from Amazon for $29 the already separated capsules )1000 ct for $16). The initial cost for the capsule maker is a little expensive, but once you have it, you can make 100 capsules at a time and only have to buy kratom and capsules. I buy the already separated ones which are a little higher because taking them apart is a pain in the a**, but you can get them cheaper if they aren’t already separated. I used to buy the caps by the bottle and it was ridiculous expensive. Try making your own and you’ll save some money!
Hi Steven, up your dose. I started red bali 2 weeks ago. 1 loosely teaspoon mixed in warm small amount of water , waited 1 hour if needed more then took another teaspoon. There is about 4grams in a teaspoon. When I started I was on a daily dose of opiates 100mg a day for years. Now Im down to 50 mg of opioid pain medication and I take about 2 teaspoons of red bali a day. Doing well and going to lowering pills more next week. Pain is under control withdrawals are nonexistent. Just up your dose , keep positive, take magnesium if constipation is an issue, drink more water. Good luck friend
Is it ok to mix Kratom with opiates? I’m currently using IV H (fentanyl I believe) and have Kratom sitting here looking at me. I bought White AND Red Maeng Da powder and a scale and everything to start it. Problem is that I’m a single mom with 3 kids including one with special needs. I don’t have time to wait to get sick. So I was wondering if I could start using Kratom as I lower my use of the other crap and eventually just stop the H and continue with the Kratom. But idk how much to take or when to start it IF I CANT MIX. Does it have to be 16-24 hours after my last H dose? The longest I can probably go is dose at night and then in the morning start the Kratom. But I don’t think I will be in severe WD at that time. Maybe just watering eyes. Pls help!
Suboxone is a blocker, that’s why you’re not feeling kratom
Hi Joe, I just got off methadone after being on for over 10 years for pain management/addiction. You don’t want to take kratom while you’re on opiodes. The next day after you stop, start with the kratom. You’ll want to get gold Bali. Take 3 teaspoons worth and try to get your doctor to prescribe Gabapentin/Soma/Clonidine. Take the kratom in hot water (about 8 ounces of water). I’m 16 days without methadone and I feel pretty damn good considering. This combination is something I put together from past experience and it works. It really helps.
Hi brother I’m on methadone too.how much you used to take?
I agree with Beth. I had that happen to me (on pain meds for years-ended up suffering more on them) I used the Kratom instead – it helped my withdrawal immensely . And it has pain killing properties. You can still take your pain meds but keep time between using them because the Kratom fits your opiate receptors so the pain meds may not work as well but you won’t need them as often or as high a dose. I just went off of mine completely. ( I was on methadone for my pain and it’s probably what caused my heart failure and other horrible side affects.) I now usually only use the Kratom for my pain. It truly saved my life. I was in heart failure and didn’t know it (doctor’s thought I was to young, even though I told them that it felt like heart failure and I’ve been an EMT on our ambulance service for over eight years.) if I would have just went cold turkey off the awful pain meds I was on- my heart would definitely have given out & I wouldn’t be here today. I can’t stress the many ways that Kratom has helped me and many of my family members.
Thank you for your post Michele. I am a pain management patient for 4+ years. I have developed quite a tolerance to opioids, and am desperate to do something different. I have anxiety, depression, PTSD, COPD, fibromyalgia, severe arthritis in most of my large joints, the length of my spine, and in many small joints such as wrists, hands, feet. I also suffer from insomnia, horrible fatigue, and leg cramping at night. I ended up taking large doses of the opioids due to tolerance (40-50mg percs every 4 hours), along with NSAIDS. After a few months of that, I ended up with heart failure. Pretty severe at that, 15% ejection fraction. I was hospitalized and silently withdrew down to 10mg every four hours. Thought I would die. I’m ramping back up with the cold weather, and I’m scared. I believe the pain meds caused the heart failure. I need something different. I found that for me, opioids increase the effectiveness of the antidepressant meds I’m taking. Whenever I withdrawal from narcotics, I also withdrawal from the less effective SSRI’S. That is a withdrawal like no other. The brain zaps make me want to end it all. Do pain management facilities drug test for this? Someone please weigh in on this. Thank you all.
I was on Adderall , Just about every opiate. I have 5 boys (now) and really wanted to get off the opiates prescribed to me. Both Adderall and Percs became an addiction. I couldnt function without them and eventually I was taking more then prescribed. My docs seemed to care more about money she kept me in opiates and eventually just changed the type of opiate but never got me off. One day I ordered a sample of kratom I didn’t do Enough research a d took 1 then 2 caps at 0.5 mg each cap. Naturally it didn’t help with pain at all and needed to take a perc. A few months later as if a “sign” every gas station and smoke shop was selling kratom. And pretty cheap. 3oz for 18.99 of Bali or Borneo or Meng Da wasn’t bad at all! I grabbed a bag. Took 2 heaping teaspoons (about 5-6 grams) 15 mins later my mind and body experienced relief of pain and energy and motivation. It was as if I took an Adderall and a perc at the same time. I have been using kratom for pain ever since. It really did change everything for me. Also helps with my mood alot but naturally. Opiates create thier own “happy” by producing (synthetic) dopamine while kratom recruits natural receptors. It’s been an amazing wonderful transistion for me. This is NOT an opiate and the government. SHOULD NOT classify it. Remember to join the fight!!! This tree is in the Coffee family!!! Not the poppy family and isn’t a synthetic opiate!!! The government. Needs to stop calling it an opiate and let the world eperience IMO one of God’s best gifts for pain !! Pharmicuticals remain threatened and will deft contonue to lobby. We are seeing some states and City ban the sale and use of kratom for false claims and or media bias.
Hi Joe~ I’m Gray and also a chronic pain sufferer, and although I’m happy to say I’ve not been on any narcs since 4wks after my most recent surgery in 2016. That was far from my 1st surgery (started in 2002) and because I’m NOT done yet…I’ve had to force myself to limit narc’s, regardless of the excruciating pain of having nerves crushed by excessive bone growth in my cervical spine. It’s not easy, it’s actually extremely difficult but Kratom has definitely helped since started using it after that last surgery. I can do very little and only for short periods time, so I’m incredibly fortunate to have ability to work from home.
I assume another surgery won’t fix your pain (since your Dr. has kept you on heavy narc’s all these years) so I really hope you can find some relief using Kratom.
I’m not an expert, and regarding it’s use in combination with narcotics, all I can say is BE cautious of strains stating ‘high energy’…any substance that increases heart rate/blood flow WILL also increase your pain.
Start with one teaspoon and start wing the narcs off then move up ur dosage to what helps
Start with 2 grams and work your way up slowly to eat the desired pain relief. Give it two hours in between doses to see effect. Your respiration will be slowed, so watch that carefully and proceed with caution.
I started out on 2 50mg tramadol a day, went up to 3, then back down to 2, then none. Once I got tired of fighting with the doc I started buying 100mg tapentadol from an online pharmacy, that caused so much debt I eventually had to quit cold turkey. My mom turned me onto kratom, assuming I’d take it for a few weeks then stop taking altogether. I started out with the powder, then capsules as they were easier to take but more expensive. Now I buy a kilo of powder at a time, once per month, and that large bag lasts me the entire month. I’ve settled on red bali. I refuse to go to rehab not only because I’m stubborn, but also because I refuse to take anything eevn more addictive than the tramadol and tapentadol were, and since I’m visually impaired an injection of suboxone, which is nothing more than bupranorphine and naloxone is not an option for me. I’m not interested in simply suffering the extreme itching in my hands, arms and legs and the insomnia withdrawal from tram and tap produce, so I tae kratom. If I am now addicted to it, which is indeed a possibility, at least I can purchase it over the counter legally from my local smoke shop. I am breaking no laws to get the pain relief I need, and that feels good in itself. Just one to one and a half teaspoons per dose depending on the pain 4 times a day and I’m good. The powder is much cheaper than the capsules, but don’t take it with any carbonated drink whatever you do. Do not mix it with other substances, especially other opioids or benzos. Rehab is not the only way, it is not even the best way. I’m not speaking out against rehab, but in my case even if I were willing, and I am not, I’d have no way to get there. My doc tells me to take tramadol but then refuses to prescribe it to me, she insists that kratom doesn’t work, and even if it did she isn’t prescribing it so I could be swallowing heroin or fentanyl and I wouldn’t know, as if I could ever be that stupid. For now kratom remains legal, and thanks to organizations like the B E A and the A K A I expect it to remain so.
What happens when you take it with a carbonated drink ? (I have always mixed my extract liquid into a soda in the morning, I just have to watch not to shake it or it will explode, lol !)
Getting ready to try capsules.
Thanks !
You are so right! I feel the same way. It saved my life… and that’s all there is to it.
The doctors are run by the pharmaceutical companies and they loose way to much money when anyone gets off their poison’s. The doctors are programmed to never agree with any non-pharmaceuticals. It’s a very scary thing.
I use red Bali for chronic pain treatment as well. I have broken titanium rods in my back not the surgeon’s fault just the way it goes. Have no cartilage in my hip and arthritis so bad I can’t walk….without kratom. I don’t know what adding a red kratom to that massive level of pain medication would or would not do, but the stuff is amazing and I am 90-95% pain free and all I get from the doctors is neurontin. Before trying kratom, I was unable to walk anymore. Kratom saved my life. 5-6 grams at night does me right! But it would be good to know if you can get something to help with pain in the increasingly likely event that your meds are cut back or even off….like mine were.
How much dose a kilo cost? I have quit pain management because I tried kratom and it worked,but now they are tryn to make a schedule 2 norc,which means having to go to a doc to get it….piss me off !! Of course the bill has Not passed yet . But of course anything that’s good and helps the government will try and stop. Like they let use get hooked up on the bad stuff and still hooking people up on opioids……sorry back now,how much is a kilo cost?
Hi
I desperately need some advice on how to start keratom.
I’m on methadone and morphine.
I wanna stop methadone ASAP. But how? Morphine I get prescribed. And they’ve said if my pee is clean 9f methadone I can go for detox. Pls help
Hey man I was on methadone for opiates for years and I stop going to methadone clinic and was sick as hell couldnt work even get out of bed and started taking kratom and it worked it was like a miracle and I’ve been off all drugs since I started the kratom
Same here James congrats. Stopped taking methadone at 30mg cold Turkey. Went through hell for about 3 months then found kratom through a friend and never looked at opiates since. It’s been 1 1/2 years. Well done my friend
That’s exactly what happened to me.
I was a serious heroine addict and kratom saved my life. My addiction was so bad that I lost my business, my home and all three of my cars. I thought there was no hope for me because all could ever think about was getting my next high. One day, at my lowest point, I just cried out to God to save me from my addiction and that same day I discovered Kratom. I’m now over a year clean and it still brings tears of joy to my eyes whenever I tell this to others struggling with addiction. With that said, Kratom truly and literally is a Godsend.
Can I help me.what type of kratom? For heroin addiction
Hello there. I’m curious to know are you still taking the Kratom?
Amen, so proud of you. I lost my 23 year old cousin to heroin and I just wish I had know About Kratom when he was suffering with his addiction. Keep up the great work, you got this!
Same here .was so hard coming off methadone. Found kratom and it helped right away. I’m off all opioids and just take kratom.
I want to stop 120 mg methadone, can I just stop and go to Kratom or do I need to taper?
No I would taper down I tried both ways once at 100mg of methadone then again at 39mg I’m into day 5 now and the detox not that bad with kratom and gabapentin helps with my pain and withdrawls. And I’m feeling confident in a month I’ll have most of methedone out of me shit takes a while but yeah I wouldn’t try at that high of a dose of methadone you can taper down at 7 to 10 mg a week of methadone then go all the way to 0 or try getting off around 50 or less mg with kratom if the methedone is to expensive like it was in my case after my grant wore off and I had 2 pay
Update: been taking kratom for 1 week now coming off methedone and wow does it work not o ly am I detoxing but I am also in allot of pain due to a pinched sciatica nerve can barely walk and it helps with the pain and I don’t feel any detoxing symptoms unless I stop taking kratom for.more then 6 hours then the runny nose and tummy aches start etc… 4 mg of gold Bali wich is a combo of red and a little dash of white for some alkaline so you feel a little more chipper for lack of a better word.. lol anyway I am so glad I read this forum and was able to get off there government koolaid shits evil.. I have tried a few other gas stations stuff but no good went on Google found a kratom shop with good 5 star reviews and went in they recommended the gold Bali and huge difference in the crap from gas station hajis.. highly recommend for pain and detox it’s a nice combo of red and white. Start at about 4mg wait 15 min increase if needed you will learn your limits fast you will feel a euphoric effect about 10 min after ingesting where the pain and detox goes away so fast that it’s pleasurable for 1 moment.. I hope this helps others like this forum saved me from myself better then PAR drug treatment center did but I do recommend you still get some kind of therapy religion emotionally al support or support group like AA i smoke weed also with it and no side effects weed helps me.not to think about it and crave and helps.me sleep.etc.. anyway I’ll update later I hope to not be on the kratom for more then a month will update later thanks everyone 😉
Laura.. I jumped off of 150mg of methadone cold turkey. Then added a solid 4 weeks of banging heroin and fentanyl. Kratom will take it all away. I had to dose 10-15g first thing in the morning with a high quality maeng Da…. Oh, and redose maybe 5-6g every 4-6hrs. Listen to your body and you’ll know when to redose. Also look into potentiators and you can drop your amounts down bc your tolerance will build fast as hell after daily use. Turmeric w black pepper pills at CVS will literally double the effect so be careful. Hope this helps…
Do you take the whole shot of Kratom mit 45 or is it many doses? Also do you steep the capsules or just swallow them? Did you just quit methadone and go to Kratom or did you taper. I need answers please!!!
Your going to want a red strain like red Bali or red Borneo and in the 10 gram + range then work your way up or down depending on how well it works for you. Mixing with chocolate milk or water and sugar helps with the taste a lot and make the mixture in smaller amounts at a time to equal 10 grams is a lot easier than 10 grams at once
What city are you in? I’ve been taking prescription painkillers for about 5 years. Today is Monday and I took the last of my pills Sunday morning and woke up feeling like garbage this morning. I almost called in sick to work but I stuck it out. I found a place near my job and went after work to buy some. I took 2 teaspoons of Green Malay about and hour ago and I feel AMAZING. I actually can’t believe it. It feels like I’ve taken a Percocet. This is the first time I’ve ever taken it.
Get off the methadone ASAP. Defiantly lower your does until you’re at least 10mg or lower. I used to be on dome for a long time. I lowered my does 10% each week. When I finally got to 2mg a day I quit. I was ok for a week or less then had withdrawals for the next three weeks. It was horrible even at that low of a dose. I couldn’t take it and eventually gave in to dope once again.
I found out about Kratom online. Did a little research and went out and bought some green mang da. Best decision of my life. Yes now I’m addicted to Kratom since I’ve been taking it every day for the past two years however I feel like myself again. I feel happy. As soon as I took my 1st dose I could tell that Kratom is a true miracle herb. IT GOT ME OFF HEROINE! If that not a miracle then I don’t know what is.
What’s the best kind to buy? I’m addicted to opiates and need off. Only reason I continue to take is cause I can not go through the withdrawals, have a business to run family to take care of, can’t remember the last time I even got high, I take enough to be notmal
Hey bro I’m about like you 2 days ago I was taking 60mg of oxycodone 4 times a day I started the red vein strand I take 7 caps twice a day but that me but so far it has helped with the opiod withdraw process you still got want to quit but I promise you from a addict this will help you
Meang Da or Vietnam or red Bali are really great for pain relief I have a broken back and was on 120+ perks a month and two years ago went to kratom and haven’t looked back, went right off the pills didn’t even need to taper off, you want to take it with a drink that has citric acid or vitamin c as it maximizes absorption, if you use a soda like I do shake the carbonation out I take 10-12 grams depending on the strain, and I toss and wash it, just pour about 5 grams in your mouth and then take a gulp of whatever liquid swish it around and repeat, research it as much as you can tho cuz the more ya know the better, also start at prolly a lower dose to see how your body reacts to it, everyone is different I have an incredible high tolerance to pills, I take 3 10-12 gram doses a day and it helps with a broken spine so it’s worth it, don’t believe the shit online about it killing you it’s not possible to od unless you take it with other drugs if you take it alone worst that will happen is you’ll throw it up, but don’t take on an empty stomach you should eat something, wait an hour then dose, otherwise your more likely to throw it right back up, orange juice, lemon juice, drinks with vitamin c or citric acid as its soluble in that, water or milk is a bad choice, dairy stops the body from absorbing anything really and kratom is not soluble in water from what I have read, but red Bali is great for sedative and pain so it’s best for a night dose, meang da or Vietnam are good for during the day they kill pain BETTER then pain killers and boost energy also these strains give a great euphoric feeling so you wont miss the pills as much the only drug I recommend mixing kratom with is bud (weed) it’s a good time and helps with nausea if you experience any, best of luck, remember research as much as you can tho, order online if you can find a reputable vendor I buy from a shag shop (head shop) 8oz for 60-70 $ last me a little less then a week as I take a little over an oz. A day, its expensive but I just know I can trust it and I don’t like ordering shit online they lose my shit too often
I can relate to taking pain meds to feel normal…and withdrawls are out of this world. I would count my pills and freak out knowing they would be gone…I felt like I’m not even a human without them, I felt they were my identity…even though I told myself I needed them for pain..I’m just on the Kratom bandwagon…I cant wait to say “when i used to take opioids” good luck
You still need help my friend ? I can help you
I need help. can you email me please. [email protected] and thank you
I need help please. Just started today. I took 2-1000mg of Green Maeng capsules. I don’t know where to start when treating pain as far as dosages and how many time daily. Sorry to intrude, but I’m lost.
I used the super green 7 g 3 times a day.
Hi does’s vitamin c 2000 twice Daily just
Stopping that now
Imodium is essential and was taking high does’s of it 6 three time a day
L-Theatmine 1200 mg a day to calm me
And a sleep aid from health food store
Lots of ginger root china town
Detox tea Chinatown too
Testosterone enhancer Chinatown
Aquafit classes daily gym too
Feeling great
26 days opiot free
Kirk
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I’ve quit oxy, suboxin, Xanax, heroin, percs, and let me tell you now, YOU CAN HANDLE THE WITHDRAWLS!! It’s a bitch of a nightmare but you WILL get through it! Just a few days and you’ll be back on your feet! And trust me you will feel natural opiate like pleasure when your happy and it will be way better than chasing the itch! I have, you can, and we will!
Thank’s chad .On the way to go get some today to get rid of my withdrawal ..I have used Kratum before and it did help.This place is filled with people like me
Dude not everything is out of your system in. a week only fast acting pain meds like oxycodone and dillaudid yeah that’s a ruff week to get off but trying coming off of methedone bro it ain’t no week try months not to mention the mental addiction on top of the physical addiction cravings don’t take percocet for a month and get off in a week and tell people it’s ok just a ruff week you have no idea… watch someone coming cold Turkey off 3 years of methadone at 240 mg and then come back and change what you said ur an idiot
I was on methadone for almost ten years. The Kratom saved my life. I’ve now been totally off those pain meds for almost four years. Meanwhile the methadone had caused severe side effects that weren’t diagnosed when I quit the methadone- most serious was heart failure. If I hadn’t taken the Kratom- my heart would without a doubt- given out. When I say it saved my life, I’m serious.
Just a few days??? Which Strain did you take because that’s what I need to order!!! Tapered down on Suboxone to 1/16 of a strip and have been almost 2 months without any and still have some withdrawal symptoms. Not like it was the first month, now insomnia and complete lack of energy/motivation.
Hi there I just wantend to share my experience with kratom. Ive had a complex fracture of my tibia and fibula. The intramedullary nail that was used to fixate the bone was accidentaly not put straight through but at a bit of an angle so that my leg has become bent inwards. This causes an immense amount of knee and nerve pain.
Ive had all kinds of painkillers including tramadol and oxycodone, and they help but they put me on my ass wich I dont like. Kratom is the only thing that really keeps me going when I have to because it doesnt have any sedating effects.
I personally only need a few grams a day and it makes me feel very warm, comfortable and chatty. Ive never been able to get a sedative effect from kratom even at higher doses, while I even prefer all the red strains wich are more opiate like. When I do take more then my regular dose, wich is around 5 grams, I get this strong sense that something is not right, get nauseated and wonder why Ive taken more then I needed to.
Ive taken kratom daily for a 2 month period and never increased the dose. I do not seem to build up a tolerance at all!? It seems to have some sort of maximum effectieve dose before only unpleasant side effects start to appear. For me less is more when it comes to kratom.
Hi
I need advice urgent but csnt comment on forum.
You need to “stack” it. Take 2 or 3 grams if your using powder, wait an hour and then take another 2 grams. If they’re pills take 3 or 4, wait an hour and take another 2-4. My best experience(my history is similar to your with pills) is the O.P.M.S solutions brand of liquid extract. 1-2 shots and it’s like a 5 -7 hour Percocet warm and fuzzy minimal pain euphoria
Chad what is O.P.M.S.? I have been taking the powder switching daily I like green Borneo, red bali, (I was told gold bali isnt really a thing that it’s a mix which i liked) red maeng da will put me to sleep. But I need to get that pain relief. I take what I think is a lot about 30 grams a day I am still trying to find that sweet spot again. Anyone else too with info I’d appreciate. I was on pain meds for 6 yrs 6 back surgeries, neck surgery and suffered a bad car accident last year. Which agitated my chronic pain even more.
I was pulled off pain keds because I got them from 2 different doctors after I had my baby c section and my regular pain doc. The one pharmacy called then both and yep no more. Withdrawal was difficult in that the kratom helped with po physical withdrawals however the mental of not having them and my mind telling my body I Had to have them was brutal. I dont experience it that much anymore it’s been almost 3 months since my last oxy.
You are so right! I feel the same way. It saved my life… and that’s all there is to it.
The doctors are run by the pharmaceutical companies and they loose way to much money when anyone gets off their poison’s. The doctors are programmed to never agree with any non-pharmaceuticals. It’s a very scary thing.
I had been taking 4-6 (or more) Norco 10/325 daily for over 4 years because my tolerance got so high. I tried to quit many times but withdrawal was so bad it was hard for me to even cut back. That is until I started taking Kratom a few weeks ago. I have chronic TMJ, migraines and SI joint pain. I have had to take, maybe, 5 Norco over the course of the last few weeks and have had no withdrawal symptoms at all! I have tried white maeng da, red maeng da and Bali red. The white maeng da worked best for me taking 8 capsules 2-3 x daily…sometimes less. I sleep good at night which is a major plus for me. This stuff has really helped me get back control of my life. The only negative thing I can say about kratom is it causes me some constipation. Nothing compared to opioids though. Totally worth giving it a shot if you’re looking for a way out of addiction.
How long did you have to take Kratom ? When did your withdrawal symptoms stop